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New York Times confirms Israel using dogs to rape. (Original Post) red dog 1 Tuesday OP
Benjamin Netanyahu's Israel. SalamanderSleeps Tuesday #1
Nope GCG Tuesday #7
No words. Just.... incredulous. B.See Tuesday #92
Those fucking people are sub human. Autumn Tuesday #2
Post removed Post removed Tuesday #32
I've long thought... BurnDoubt Tuesday #59
I found this on the Euro-Med Human Rights Monitor but from 2024 Beringia Tuesday #3
Thanks for that link. red dog 1 Tuesday #10
There are no fucking words n/t leftstreet Tuesday #4
Our tax dollars hard at work. Ferrets are Cool Tuesday #5
They are transforming into what they hate Johnny2X2X Tuesday #6
The NYT didn't confirm anything. RandySF Tuesday #8
I would like to see verification as well Mossfern Tuesday #11
The dog part sounds odd. RandySF Tuesday #12
Seems very odd to me too Mossfern Tuesday #16
Aren't dogs considered unclean by Muslims? Attilatheblond Tuesday #51
Why would you do that? leftstreet Tuesday #13
Why? Mossfern Tuesday #20
I figured that's why you would do this, if true. electric_blue68 Tuesday #23
Were you protesting the rape of prisoners? angrychair Tuesday #74
There's an earlier article with pictures at post # 3 questionseverything Tuesday #27
I'm not convinced, either. cab67 Tuesday #73
Post # 74 has an article with soldiers admitting it and film questionseverything Tuesday #76
Here's the link to the full Substack article TheRickles Tuesday #38
About blood libel from the NYT Kristof article PufPuf23 Tuesday #75
The author uses his name, it's far from his first article on this questionseverything Tuesday #40
I feel really bad heckles65 Tuesday #9
Post removed Post removed Tuesday #14
So it's the Jews? sarisataka Tuesday #21
This is the kind of shit we need to avoid. RandySF Tuesday #22
I've said for years: Israel allows anti-Semitism to be wrapped in policy and politics rather than straight bigotry. AZLD4Candidate Tuesday #29
I mean the above rhetoric. RandySF Tuesday #37
I'm not. I'm Jewish and history has shown the following: AZLD4Candidate Tuesday #42
I think they meant that the existence of Israel lets people be antisemitic EdmondDantes_ Tuesday #45
Exactly what I meant. AZLD4Candidate 12 hrs ago #94
Please read up on what "chosen" means in that context. Mossfern Tuesday #25
I was going to.post Tikkun Olam,but you beat me to it. BattleRow Tuesday #47
Yes, and.., stillspkg Tuesday #69
So Israel all us Jews. Nice! AZLD4Candidate Tuesday #28
I can't find any evidence that the NYT has confirmed this. Coventina Tuesday #15
By which they mean that one of their most esteemed journalists, Nicholas Kristof, has written in detail about this story TheRickles Tuesday #43
An Op-Ed opinion column does not equal a NYT confirmation of the truth of the reports. n/t Coventina Tuesday #61
Very true. But it lends a bit more heft to the notion that the story is valid, all things considered. TheRickles Tuesday #65
A rather bold headline for an opinion piece that lacks evidence sarisataka Tuesday #17
If it's Jews, it's news. AZLD4Candidate Tuesday #30
Turns out there was an asterisk next to the phrase "Never Again*" with regards to Israel. Crowman2009 Tuesday #18
Bibi complains they are losing the social media war. YA THINK?! cer7711 Tuesday #19
It doesn't take much evidence to whip up anti-Jew hatred, does it? RandySF Tuesday #24
I'm sorry, what are you talking about? dem4decades Tuesday #31
None whatsoever. DavidDvorkin Tuesday #36
Very little is needed to bring out the Judenhass sarisataka Tuesday #48
Bull. Shit. DavidDvorkin Tuesday #26
There may be doubt to cast on this article. 3_Limes Tuesday #33
Well that settles that! quinteroon Tuesday #60
Hello, welcome to DU sarisataka Tuesday #64
Well, howdy! quinteroon Tuesday #67
Just a personal prediction sarisataka Tuesday #71
One green pepper, mushroom and onion delivered sarisataka 2 hrs ago #104
Is it true Comet Pizza... Brother Buzz Tuesday #78
Welcome to DU, quinteroon! calimary 2 hrs ago #103
And once again, victim and eyewitness testimonies are considered suspect Rob H. Tuesday #34
Do you recall the many that denied the sexual assaults of October 7? sarisataka Tuesday #39
There was video on Oct. 7. RandySF Tuesday #46
There was, yet within the last month sarisataka Tuesday #49
Didn't stop people from denying it or Piker from saying it doesn't matter EdmondDantes_ Tuesday #53
That's because a few of the initial storys were debunked (see link), so many believed all that followed was BS krawhitham Tuesday #52
It only took two debunked accounts to believe the Jews were lying? RandySF Tuesday #57
Classic whataboutism. Miss me with that bullshit Rob H. Tuesday #63
Got it, if one standard is good, two standards is better sarisataka Tuesday #70
I believe Israeli women were sexually assaulted by Hamas Eko Tuesday #91
That is indeed possible however the reality is sarisataka 13 hrs ago #93
All you have to do is scroll through this entire post and you will see many dismiss what the Palestinians said. Eko 4 hrs ago #96
I agre that is true in this thread. sarisataka 3 hrs ago #97
What threads? Eko 3 hrs ago #98
Pretty much any thread sarisataka 3 hrs ago #99
You made a claim but wont show any proof. Ok. Eko 3 hrs ago #100
I'm not going to dig through the past threads sarisataka 3 hrs ago #102
I hope your dog lasts for many more years. Eko 2 hrs ago #106
Or Epstein victims... BattleRow Tuesday #85
Post removed Post removed Tuesday #35
Well they have been accused of perversion and subversion for well over two thousand years sarisataka Tuesday #62
"These people?" Mossfern Tuesday #80
The Israeli military people behind these alledged atrocities obviously 3_Limes Tuesday #83
It was there sarisataka Tuesday #86
"these people," oof WhiskeyGrinder Tuesday #84
Wondering how other Islamic nations are going to respond to this. I have no problem with anything they decide to do. NoMoreRepugs Tuesday #41
Anything at all? DavidDvorkin Tuesday #50
IMHO, the chances that this happened as described are pretty good. 3_Limes Tuesday #55
Even if it's absolutely true, still wouldn't justify an unlimited response EdmondDantes_ Tuesday #72
Anything sarisataka Tuesday #54
They'll hopefully ask for proof Melon 2 hrs ago #105
IIRC orangecrush Tuesday #44
Israel's own soldiers have filmed it and shared the images questionseverything Tuesday #66
WTAF!!!!!!! yellow dahlia Tuesday #56
I would view this report with caution. There are conflicting reports. Use discretion when sharing on other sites. Joinfortmill Tuesday #58
Im going to need more details. BannonsLiver Tuesday #68
I've been out of touch for a few days from reading DU. 1WorldHope Tuesday #77
About "Israel," not "Jews"... regnaD kciN Tuesday #79
Sometimes, to some people they are the same thing. sarisataka Tuesday #81
I thought I saw the word, "Jew", specifically. 1WorldHope Tuesday #90
Wow, some people really showing who they are 'round here Prairie Gates Tuesday #82
Here is the New York Times opinion peice.... reACTIONary Tuesday #87
So many responses of I will wait for confirmation or some such reminds me of the movie Jaws Beringia Tuesday #88
Omg I feel sick LearnedHand Tuesday #89
Me too, it is so depressing. Celerity 12 hrs ago #95
That's beyond disgusting and insane. Fucking barbaric practices. Dave Bowman 3 hrs ago #101
His wording isn't quite accurate, but the abuse sounds like it has been detailed in multiple detainee interviews fujiyamasan 1 hr ago #107

GCG

(114 posts)
7. Nope
Tue May 12, 2026, 12:58 PM
Tuesday

This belongs to everyone who supports Netanyahu and the Israeli government!!!

This includes members of the US Congress and any American organization and individuals who continue to support Israel and their actions!!!!

THEY ARE ALL COMPLICIT!!!!

Response to Autumn (Reply #2)

BurnDoubt

(1,893 posts)
59. I've long thought...
Tue May 12, 2026, 02:32 PM
Tuesday

They learned WAY TOO MUCH from the NAZIS.
I believe they should exist in harmony with everyone.
I’ve often wondered how it would go down in MAGA-land if our Native Americans went on a pogrom to get their Lands back. They would certainly go full-tilt Palestinian on their asses, just like their ancestors.
Deplorable.

Beringia

(5,613 posts)
3. I found this on the Euro-Med Human Rights Monitor but from 2024
Tue May 12, 2026, 12:47 PM
Tuesday
https://euromedmonitor.org/en/article/6383/Gaza:-Israeli-army-systematically-uses-police-dogs-to-brutally-attack-Palestinian-civilians,-with-at-least-one-reported-rape

27 Jun 2024 Israel-Palestinian Territory

Palestinian Territory – The Israeli military is using police dogs to systematically attack Palestinian civilians during military operations in the Gaza Strip. The dogs are also used to intimidate, beat, and sexually assault prisoners and detainees in Israeli detention facilities.

Numerous incidents of Israeli forces using large police dogs during military operations in the Strip have been recorded by the Euro-Med Monitor field team, particularly during raids of homes, shelters, and medical facilities.

Johnny2X2X

(24,414 posts)
6. They are transforming into what they hate
Tue May 12, 2026, 12:57 PM
Tuesday

It’s not representative of the religion or of the Israeli population, but the IDF is becoming like the Nazis. I cannot believe this is happening.

They apparently completely misinterpreted “Never Again.”

RandySF

(85,987 posts)
8. The NYT didn't confirm anything.
Tue May 12, 2026, 12:58 PM
Tuesday

I’m not saying it didn’t happen but there was no independent verification by the reporter.

Mossfern

(4,760 posts)
11. I would like to see verification as well
Tue May 12, 2026, 01:10 PM
Tuesday

This is outrageous behavior - beyond outrageous - but before I go storming into my synagogue with this article I'd prefer to know it for a fact. Yes, it could be the modern day equivalent of blood libel. People believed that Jews used the blood of Christian babies in order to make their Passover matzohs - there were many "witnesses" to this too.

Mossfern

(4,760 posts)
16. Seems very odd to me too
Tue May 12, 2026, 01:17 PM
Tuesday

Most of the article is NOT by the NY Times - Only a couple of sentences that do not include the graphic descriptions. I certainly do not deny any abuse considering that there may be many far right wing and settlers who are in the IDF.

Any abuse is a shanda.

Attilatheblond

(9,193 posts)
51. Aren't dogs considered unclean by Muslims?
Tue May 12, 2026, 02:21 PM
Tuesday

To me, that part sounds pretty likely. A force that is fine with shelling hospitals, aid distribution centers, and evacuation routes they ordered people to leave by is probably capable of any abuse and horror.

leftstreet

(41,236 posts)
13. Why would you do that?
Tue May 12, 2026, 01:16 PM
Tuesday
...but before I go storming into my synagogue


No one in your synagogue is doing this

If you want to go somewhere and demand accountability, try Israel's Parliament, Netanyahu's office, Trump's oval office, The US Congress...

Mossfern

(4,760 posts)
20. Why?
Tue May 12, 2026, 01:22 PM
Tuesday

To let them know (if indeed this is true) and to protest to Israel as a strong group. Leaders of the Jewish community in the US need to condemn behavior like this loudly. Yes, it's Israel that's responsible for actions of the IDF, but experience has taught me that what Israel does (especially anything negative) is often blamed on American Jews and used as a tool by antisemitic groups.

angrychair

(12,477 posts)
74. Were you protesting the rape of prisoners?
Tue May 12, 2026, 03:01 PM
Tuesday

I mean IDF soldiers have freely admitted to raping Palestinian prisoners. They literally filmed themselves doing it with uncovered faces. Even bragged about it.

Just plain humans raping humans. Isn't that enough to be upset about and storm your synagogue demanding justice?

Reference:
https://apnews.com/article/israel-gaza-war-palestinians-prison-abuse-b11e5f0639b7fe51c5ea101f4b320f56

questionseverything

(11,938 posts)
27. There's an earlier article with pictures at post # 3
Tue May 12, 2026, 01:44 PM
Tuesday

That you won’t believe hundreds of victims and witnesses is past discouraging

cab67

(3,839 posts)
73. I'm not convinced, either.
Tue May 12, 2026, 02:57 PM
Tuesday

Not saying it's untrue, but these claims are extraordinary. The evidence, to me at least, is not.

TheRickles

(3,516 posts)
38. Here's the link to the full Substack article
Tue May 12, 2026, 02:04 PM
Tuesday
https://www.owenjones.news/p/new-york-times-confirms-israel-using

Lots of sources and quotes and precedents are cited, and the blood libel comparison is also addressed. Very damning....

PufPuf23

(9,928 posts)
75. About blood libel from the NYT Kristof article
Tue May 12, 2026, 03:07 PM
Tuesday

>>“Blood libel” has a specific historical meaning: the medieval antisemitic myth that Jewish people murdered Christian children for use in religious rituals. There is no evidence that this ever happened. It was a murderous fiction used to justify persecution.

But nobody disputes that Israel, a heavily militarised state, deploys violence on a mass scale, or that it has killed tens of thousands of Palestinians in Gaza alone. Even Israel’s defenders do not deny that. To be absolutely clear: medieval Jews were not murdering children in ritual sacrifice. Israel, a state armed with one of the world’s most advanced militaries, has objectively killed vast numbers of people.

Yet “blood libel” is now routinely deployed to smear anyone who speaks out about Israel’s crimes as antisemitic. Netanyahu has even used the term against political opponents inside Israel itself - including figures who fully supported the genocidal onslaught against Gaza.

questionseverything

(11,938 posts)
40. The author uses his name, it's far from his first article on this
Tue May 12, 2026, 02:05 PM
Tuesday

Why hasn’t the Israel government sued?

Heck, Israel soldiers are so disgusted, that they are whistleblowers about this devastating rape shit that is part of sop

heckles65

(633 posts)
9. I feel really bad
Tue May 12, 2026, 01:01 PM
Tuesday

for the dogs, who are probably brutalized to do this work and are destroyed when they age out.

Comfort, affection, security, they probably never feel once they are separated from their mothers.

Response to red dog 1 (Original post)

AZLD4Candidate

(6,929 posts)
29. I've said for years: Israel allows anti-Semitism to be wrapped in policy and politics rather than straight bigotry.
Tue May 12, 2026, 01:46 PM
Tuesday

AZLD4Candidate

(6,929 posts)
42. I'm not. I'm Jewish and history has shown the following:
Tue May 12, 2026, 02:08 PM
Tuesday

1: If we are subjected to bigotry, lies, mistreatment, or brutalization, we deserve it for some reason.
2: If we fight back, we're wrong and are the aggressor.

Now with Israel, we can use that in nice, political rhetoric instead of saying "the Jews deserve it" or "they Jews are trying to (whatever the conspiracy theory is)."

Pretty soon, I believe the Protocols of the Elders of Zion will become mainstream and "proven" true because of the Rothschilds, Soros, or some other good Jewish whipping boy.

EdmondDantes_

(2,038 posts)
45. I think they meant that the existence of Israel lets people be antisemitic
Tue May 12, 2026, 02:09 PM
Tuesday

But nominally tie it to criticizing Israel rather than being openly antisemitic as cover.

Mossfern

(4,760 posts)
25. Please read up on what "chosen" means in that context.
Tue May 12, 2026, 01:38 PM
Tuesday

I will give you a link or two to get you started. "Chosen" does not mean 'better than.'

Here's a excerpt from one article that explains it.

My peers and their parents assumed that the term “Chosen People” meant that Jews believe they are superior, a better race and are God’s favorite. It is not only misunderstood by gentiles, but very often Jews themselves have no inkling of what it means to be chosen by Hashem. With the exception of the Kuzari, almost all Rishonim (medieval scholars) make it very clear that every human being, Jew and gentile alike, is created in the Divine image. The term tzelem Elokim is ascribed to all of humanity—not just Jews. Every human being is created in God’s image (i.e., we were all created with an abstract intellect that enables us to perceive the knowledge of God through the prisms of physics and metaphysics). No human being is inherently better than any other human being. If that is the case, then what does it mean that Jews are the Am Hanivchar, the Chosen Nation?

Am Hanivchar means that we were chosen to engage in a mission. We were chosen by God, and in turn, we chose to partner with God in the mission of the transformation and perfection of humanity. All human beings have an obligation to lead a life of ethical monotheism, which is encapsulated in the covenant that God made with humanity. We refer to that covenant as the Seven Mitzvot Bnei Noach. The Jewish people, by adopting the covenant of the Torah and its 613 mitzvot, not only adopted a change in their lifestyle, but adopted a system and society of perfected ethical monotheism. The Jewish nation does not have its own perfection as the end goal and purpose of the covenant. That covenant demands that we are responsible for the destiny of all of humanity. On the one hand, this is an awesome responsibility, and on the other, it is the greatest opportunity that a human being can have, to be able to work and partner with his Creator.
https://jewishaction.com/from-the-desk-of-rabbi-steven-weil/the-chosen-people/

If you're really interested you can google it - there are several articles regarding this.

I don't come from a particularly religious upbringing, but the concept of Tikkun Olam was instilled in me from a very early age.
It's more of a responsibility than an honor.

BattleRow

(2,689 posts)
47. I was going to.post Tikkun Olam,but you beat me to it.
Tue May 12, 2026, 02:12 PM
Tuesday

Theres a wonderful movie,Bee Season,with Juliet Binoche and Richard Gere that touches on this theme,btw

stillspkg

(206 posts)
69. Yes, and..,
Tue May 12, 2026, 02:43 PM
Tuesday

It isn't Jews who are the perpetrators, it's the government of Israel which has, since its inception, refused to form a constitution. A constitution would mean representative government. The government will not let the Palestinians be represented. Therefore, it is s rogue nation that abuses under a cloak of being Jewish when it is not. The Israeli "government does not even represent the Jewish people, much as Trump does not represent the people of the USA.

Coventina

(29,925 posts)
15. I can't find any evidence that the NYT has confirmed this.
Tue May 12, 2026, 01:17 PM
Tuesday

I'm not saying it isn't happening, but the thread title is problematic.

TheRickles

(3,516 posts)
43. By which they mean that one of their most esteemed journalists, Nicholas Kristof, has written in detail about this story
Tue May 12, 2026, 02:09 PM
Tuesday

(it's in the linked Substack article by Owen Jones)

Coventina

(29,925 posts)
61. An Op-Ed opinion column does not equal a NYT confirmation of the truth of the reports. n/t
Tue May 12, 2026, 02:33 PM
Tuesday

TheRickles

(3,516 posts)
65. Very true. But it lends a bit more heft to the notion that the story is valid, all things considered.
Tue May 12, 2026, 02:39 PM
Tuesday

sarisataka

(22,802 posts)
17. A rather bold headline for an opinion piece that lacks evidence
Tue May 12, 2026, 01:20 PM
Tuesday

When I see a 'babies thrown from incubators' headline I pull out my 100 lb bag of salt.

But it is Israel so traditionally the claim is enough proof, no evidence required. (We still have those here who deny there was any sexual assault on Oct.7 because the only evidence is the claims of the women and eyewitnesses {conveniently forgetting Hamas had filmed some of the assaults})

But lest I be accused of things I haven't said:

I unequivocally condemn all sexual violence regardless of perpetrator or victim. All such criminals should face full justice.

Crowman2009

(3,589 posts)
18. Turns out there was an asterisk next to the phrase "Never Again*" with regards to Israel.
Tue May 12, 2026, 01:21 PM
Tuesday

Which means
*We can follow the Nazi genocide playbook with regards to the Palestinians

cer7711

(618 posts)
19. Bibi complains they are losing the social media war. YA THINK?!
Tue May 12, 2026, 01:21 PM
Tuesday

How many documented atrocities must there be before we disinvest from Israel?
Murdering journalists. American citizens, medics, raping, torturing divers people including a certain young woman of international staure.
Enough is enough.

sarisataka

(22,802 posts)
48. Very little is needed to bring out the Judenhass
Tue May 12, 2026, 02:16 PM
Tuesday

We have already hit social, racial, cultural and ideological antisemitism, It isn't even hidden behind a veil of Israel but directly identifying "those people" as Untermensch

3_Limes

(578 posts)
33. There may be doubt to cast on this article.
Tue May 12, 2026, 01:53 PM
Tuesday

But given the pattern of behavior we've seen from Israel in the last year, I find this completely believable. It fits right in.

 

quinteroon

(24 posts)
67. Well, howdy!
Tue May 12, 2026, 02:42 PM
Tuesday
I love green pepper, mushrooms, and onions. Why do you ask?

(But not Comet Pizza... )

sarisataka

(22,802 posts)
71. Just a personal prediction
Tue May 12, 2026, 02:46 PM
Tuesday

I am a sausage mushroom and onion fan- two out of three ain't bad.

sarisataka

(22,802 posts)
104. One green pepper, mushroom and onion delivered
Thu May 14, 2026, 12:16 AM
2 hrs ago

I thought it would have been thirty minutes or less

calimary

(90,695 posts)
103. Welcome to DU, quinteroon!
Thu May 14, 2026, 12:12 AM
2 hrs ago

Every new arrival helps us get stronger as well as bigger!

Rob H.

(5,903 posts)
34. And once again, victim and eyewitness testimonies are considered suspect
Tue May 12, 2026, 01:54 PM
Tuesday

or dismissed entirely by Israel's defenders. Looks like "Believe the victims" doesn't apply when those victims are Palestinian.

sarisataka

(22,802 posts)
39. Do you recall the many that denied the sexual assaults of October 7?
Tue May 12, 2026, 02:05 PM
Tuesday

Victim and eyewitness testimony was considered suspect and met with calls of "where is the evidence".
Are those people Hamas defenders?

sarisataka

(22,802 posts)
49. There was, yet within the last month
Tue May 12, 2026, 02:18 PM
Tuesday

I have seen a post claiming "no proof" of sexual assault by Hamas. The testimony of the captives who detailed their repeated assaults at the hands of their captors is also routinely ignored.

EdmondDantes_

(2,038 posts)
53. Didn't stop people from denying it or Piker from saying it doesn't matter
Tue May 12, 2026, 02:21 PM
Tuesday

I don't know if the current claims are true. On one hand believe victims and much of Israel's population has said in polling they're okay with killing all Palestinians, on the other hand I have no idea how you'd train a dog to do this and I'd like to believe that it wouldn't be a government policy, but alas history shows us all sorts of people do horrible things.

Rob H.

(5,903 posts)
63. Classic whataboutism. Miss me with that bullshit
Tue May 12, 2026, 02:36 PM
Tuesday

There have been people here defending even Israel's most egregious acts for over two years now, including trying to downplay or outright debunk (unsuccessfully) stories of children being murdered by IDF snipers despite photographic evidence and eyewitness accounts. They've outright ignored IDF soldiers on video killing children, people trying to surrender, and first responders.

The greatest threat to regional stability in the Middle East is Israel. We need to stop sending them money and declare an arms embargo immediately.

sarisataka

(22,802 posts)
70. Got it, if one standard is good, two standards is better
Tue May 12, 2026, 02:45 PM
Tuesday

I am not denying anything done by Israel in my post. I am just asking for acknowledgement that either
we are dealing with two levels of proof- Palestinians are believed at face value where Jews must provide evidence
or the Israeli women were sexually assaulted by Hamas yet were not believed when they told their stories,

Eko

(10,076 posts)
91. I believe Israeli women were sexually assaulted by Hamas
Tue May 12, 2026, 10:07 PM
Tuesday

and Palestinians are being sexually assaulted by the Israeli military.
One could easily flip the argument you made to
Israeli's are believed at face value where Palestinians must provide evidence or the Palestinians were sexually assaulted by the Israeli military yet were not believed when they told their stories.

sarisataka

(22,802 posts)
93. That is indeed possible however the reality is
Wed May 13, 2026, 02:05 PM
13 hrs ago

many dismiss anything said by Israel out of hand while immediately accepting any claim made by Hamas. Not to say all Palestinians are Hamas but Hamas does have virtually complete control of what is reported from Gaza. Also not to deny Israel primarily controls the narrative on their side, but it is much easier for individual Israelis to be heard than individual Palestinians in Gaza.

Credit for acknowledging the sexual assaults on Israeli women; most cannot bring themselves to say that. I also believe there have been sexual assaults of Palestinians and as I said above, I condemn sexual violence no matter who does it and want to see the perpetrators brought to justice.

Eko

(10,076 posts)
96. All you have to do is scroll through this entire post and you will see many dismiss what the Palestinians said.
Wed May 13, 2026, 11:03 PM
4 hrs ago

The reality is that on this very thread there are people who don't believe the Palestinians and instead believe what Israel is saying, that its not happening. I counted 15 posts saying they didn't believe it. Would that fit your definition of many? I have been accused of believing hamas over Israel on here multiple times when I stated the amount of people killed in Gaza, that was not me immediately accepting any claim made by hamas over Israel but was me doing the research to see that historically the death numbers put out by hamas were accurate and that even Israel admitted that they consider them accurate while Israel was reporting out to the media that the death count by hamas was inflated. I cant speak for anyone else but I don't trust Israel anymore than I do hamas. A government that will lie to your face when some easy research says otherwise is not to be trusted at all, especially when it comes to lying about how many people they have killed. Be honest, did you believe Israel when they said that the deaths in Gaza were inflated or did you do some research to find out the answer?

sarisataka

(22,802 posts)
97. I agre that is true in this thread.
Wed May 13, 2026, 11:23 PM
3 hrs ago

In most other threads the opposite is true.

I made no judgement on the death claims in Gaza. Ever source (including supposedly "neutral" ones) had reasons to maximize or minimize the numbers. My experience with urban combat tells me casualties among will be high even if attempts are made to limit them.

Eko

(10,076 posts)
98. What threads?
Wed May 13, 2026, 11:35 PM
3 hrs ago

"Ever(y) source (including supposedly "neutral" ones) had reasons to maximize or minimize the numbers."
What an odd blanket statement to make. What reason did the British Red Cross have to max or min the numbers?
https://www.redcross.org.uk/about-us/what-we-do/international/israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territory

But I still want to know what treads you are talking about

sarisataka

(22,802 posts)
99. Pretty much any thread
Wed May 13, 2026, 11:50 PM
3 hrs ago

that accuses Israel of anything improper. You counted the number who questioned this claim but how many accept it as fact without proof. If you really wanted to dig in, cross reference those who accept this but doubted the claims of Israeli victims of sexual assault.

As for the Red Cross/Red Crescent, I have to say my general statement may not be entirely accurate- they themselves are less likely to adjust numbers, but it must be taken into account where they are getting the numbers from. Hamas severely limited access of the Red Cross, including not allowing them access to the captives they held, so the numbers provided by the Red Cross will be based on those provided by Gaza authorities, i.e. Hamas.
Are they accurate- I don't know, maybe they are, maybe they are inflated, maybe they are underreported.

Whatever the number is, it is too high. As is the number of Israeli deaths on October 7. Ideally both should be none.

Eko

(10,076 posts)
100. You made a claim but wont show any proof. Ok.
Wed May 13, 2026, 11:58 PM
3 hrs ago

Its just what you think and feel.
Do you know that the Israeli government has said that the numbers from hamas are historically accurate?

Israel’s military has accepted the death toll compiled by health authorities in Gaza is broadly accurate, marking a U-turn after years of official attacks on the data.
For more than two years, Israeli officials and media had attacked the Palestinian figures as “Hamas propaganda” and dismissed them as “not accurate”.

The abrupt shift in stance raises broader questions about Israel’s defence of its campaign in Gaza. A UN commission, rights groups and scholars have accused Israel of committing genocide in the territory.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jan/30/israel-military-gaza-death-toll-broadly-accurate
Why should we trust anything the Israeli government says?

sarisataka

(22,802 posts)
102. I'm not going to dig through the past threads
Thu May 14, 2026, 12:09 AM
3 hrs ago

to find the examples where people denied Hamas was using hospitals as bases even though they were seen on security footage and Palestinian patients confirmed they regularly saw Hamas fighters. Or the supposed babies that were left in the hospital with a grainy short video as proof and the claim dogs had somehow made it up five floors of the hospital to feed on them- somehow apparently not a single door was closed. Or when captives were released and gave first-hand accounts of the abuse they faced and how they detailed being held in the houses of UNRWA members, the claims were dismissed as" misunderstandings" or in the case of sexual assault ignored.

I find people will believe what they choose to believe and it is impossible to change their minds on this subject.

I am going to go spend some time with my elderly dog that will be gone in a matter of days, if not tonight.

I wish you a pleasant evening.

Eko

(10,076 posts)
106. I hope your dog lasts for many more years.
Thu May 14, 2026, 12:47 AM
2 hrs ago

But I think you are confused with not believing Israel and believing hamas. If Israel says something about hamas I dont trust them at all as they have a track record of lying. That doesn't mean I believe hamas but it does mean that Israel needs to offer proof of something due to their track record of lying. hamas at a hospital does not equal using it as a base, hamas does not have their own military hospitals so where would you expect them to go for treatment? Did they use them as bases? There is some evidence that they did but there is no conclusive evidence.

Response to red dog 1 (Original post)

sarisataka

(22,802 posts)
62. Well they have been accused of perversion and subversion for well over two thousand years
Tue May 12, 2026, 02:35 PM
Tuesday

at times have been accused of being an inferior race of humans or even shapeshifting aliens by those who subscribe to such theories.

That, and more, has been used to justify the hate.

3_Limes

(578 posts)
83. The Israeli military people behind these alledged atrocities obviously
Tue May 12, 2026, 04:39 PM
Tuesday

Don't look for slights that aren't there.

NoMoreRepugs

(12,223 posts)
41. Wondering how other Islamic nations are going to respond to this. I have no problem with anything they decide to do.
Tue May 12, 2026, 02:05 PM
Tuesday

This is beyond my comprehension.

DavidDvorkin

(20,665 posts)
50. Anything at all?
Tue May 12, 2026, 02:19 PM
Tuesday

You would support the most heinous actions by Islamic nations in response to this unconfirmed bullshit?

3_Limes

(578 posts)
55. IMHO, the chances that this happened as described are pretty good.
Tue May 12, 2026, 02:25 PM
Tuesday

Completely consistent with the genocide Israel is currently carrying out.

EdmondDantes_

(2,038 posts)
72. Even if it's absolutely true, still wouldn't justify an unlimited response
Tue May 12, 2026, 02:54 PM
Tuesday

That just leads to ever more brutality.

sarisataka

(22,802 posts)
54. Anything
Tue May 12, 2026, 02:22 PM
Tuesday

That is pretty broad and can include some very unsavory acts.

Do you really mean anything?

orangecrush

(31,059 posts)
44. IIRC
Tue May 12, 2026, 02:09 PM
Tuesday

Right wing dictators in South America employed this same tactic in the 80's.

How does anyone expect anyone to prove this?

Like they were going to be able to take cellphone videos?



questionseverything

(11,938 posts)
66. Israel's own soldiers have filmed it and shared the images
Tue May 12, 2026, 02:42 PM
Tuesday

Post# 3 has lots of supporting info and it’s from 2024, none of this is a secret

Joinfortmill

(21,618 posts)
58. I would view this report with caution. There are conflicting reports. Use discretion when sharing on other sites.
Tue May 12, 2026, 02:26 PM
Tuesday

BannonsLiver

(20,839 posts)
68. Im going to need more details.
Tue May 12, 2026, 02:42 PM
Tuesday

Soooooo many questions on how all of that would actually work in a practical sense.

1WorldHope

(2,127 posts)
77. I've been out of touch for a few days from reading DU.
Tue May 12, 2026, 03:11 PM
Tuesday

When I got home from a trip and had time to read again, I've just seen a couple of angry posts both of the South and now Jews. I just came back from Western NE where they still haven't figured out that the large orange anus used them. But, I was kind of amazed, nearly half the town are immigrants mostly from Mexico, they live and work together, they go to school together and I can't figure out that disconnect. And I've been spending a lot of time thinking about how are we going to heal as a nation instead of further divide. It just seems like we have to go on some kind of a real purposeful quest to make sure that we're good to everybody and not get confused like they want us to be, they being the rich. My libertarian son-in-law very strongly said, that it's never been about race, it's always been about money. I was glad to hear him say this, although I believe there is plenty of racism in the world, but we all have to come together because it's the poor and the working class who have to save this country from the oligarchy. It has gotten real ugly lately with the supreme Court allowing Tennessee and I guess now I can't remember what other state to just eliminate the black representation. I guess we'll find out if this country is truly made up of people just like Trump, or people with common sense who know that hate never wins us anything.

1WorldHope

(2,127 posts)
90. I thought I saw the word, "Jew", specifically.
Tue May 12, 2026, 06:03 PM
Tuesday

Corrections followed about the difference between the two. I agree that it is the leader of Israel who is to blame. It's tempting to blame the soldiers who follow orders, but, we've always had soldiers show up for the fight here in the U$. Most of them realize at some point that they are not fighting for our country, but for our government who only serve the rich. We can not let them divide us.

Prairie Gates

(8,459 posts)
82. Wow, some people really showing who they are 'round here
Tue May 12, 2026, 04:10 PM
Tuesday

Not bad enough to emulate and celebrate and justify the genocide on the front end, but they gonna act like Holocaust deniers as well?

Fuck's sake.

Beringia

(5,613 posts)
88. So many responses of I will wait for confirmation or some such reminds me of the movie Jaws
Tue May 12, 2026, 05:20 PM
Tuesday

This reminds me of the scene from Jaws where Hooper says to Mayor Vaughn in a town hall meeting, "I think you are going to ignore this particular problem until it swims up and bites you in the ass"

LearnedHand

(5,575 posts)
89. Omg I feel sick
Tue May 12, 2026, 05:37 PM
Tuesday

Abusing humans and animals alike. I don’t even know how to think about this.

fujiyamasan

(1,996 posts)
107. His wording isn't quite accurate, but the abuse sounds like it has been detailed in multiple detainee interviews
Thu May 14, 2026, 01:09 AM
1 hr ago

It’s not the NYT that confirmed it as stated in the headline. It’s an op-Ed piece, so I would assume it should abide by NYT’s standards, but I would argue that you cant really treat an op-Ed as confirmation, as in a piece of investigative journalism. They’re just not the same.

That said, I’m not disputing anything written here. I read most of the Kristoff column (as much as I could get through before being horrified and disgusted). It’s not an easy read that’s for sure. He links to interviews and other sources throughout the piece.

What’s clear is Israel is systematically falling into a deeper moral Abyss. No country can allow this sort of behavior with no consequences and call it self a civilized society. As someone just as sickened by the attacks of 10/07, we should be able to condemn both forcefully. The difference between those attacks and this systemic treatment of Palestinians is that we wholeheartedly subsidize this as Americans.

He references the following op Ed:

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/05/11/opinion/israel-palestinians-sexual-violence.html

I’ve excerpted the part about the dogs being used:

On one occasion, he said, he was held down, stripped naked, and as he was blindfolded and handcuffed, a dog was summoned. With encouragement from a handler in Hebrew, he said, the dog mounted him.
“They were using cameras to take photos, and I heard their laughs and giggles,” he said. He tried to dislodge the dog, he said, but it penetrated him.

Other Palestinian prisoners and human rights monitors have also cited reports of police dogs being coached to rape prisoners. The journalist said that when he was released, an Israeli official warned him: “If you want to stay alive when you return, do not speak to the media.”

These are the links to the interviews:

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/interview-palestinian-detainee-recounts-sexual-assault-in-israeli-detention/3749192

https://www.instagram.com/reels/DYERwPIgTps/






https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c8dy8r7lq0go



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