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A great take on the romanticizing of Confederate history: (Original Post) thucythucy Yesterday OP
My great(3) grandfather PCB66 Yesterday #1
I hope his letters have been preserved. Sparkly Yesterday #8
The Confederacy lasted less than 5 years. It stole existing Southern Themes. It has no heritage other than rebellion ChicagoTeamster Yesterday #2
A bunch of indignant, outraged lawbreakers PatSeg Yesterday #11
And remember that the FIRST rebel flag was the Betsy Ross Flag!! Adopted June 14, 1777 mitch96 Yesterday #18
Yes PatSeg 9 hrs ago #19
People forget how brief the Confederacy's history was. cab67 Yesterday #13
Bizarre, isn't it? PatSeg Yesterday #15
Nirvana lasted longer than the CSA hatrack Yesterday #16
"The 'loseriest' day" unblock Yesterday #3
He sure has a way with words mountain grammy Yesterday #10
Good timing. I turned this vid on just as MSNow went to trump babbling on the lawn... Wounded Bear Yesterday #4
Trae Crowder is a voice of sanity hidden in that drawl. (Bet he speaks well when he wants...) erronis Yesterday #5
Slave hunts bmichaelh Yesterday #6
The liberal redneck speaks truth. cksmithy Yesterday #7
South Got Whopped Brother Buzz Yesterday #9
I love this guy. yardwork Yesterday #12
I love how he has a short, pithy post script: Ilsa Yesterday #14
Trae on white red necks: "Fatter than most livestock." Botany Yesterday #17
The South won the war... Pesky1 6 hrs ago #20
The South was able to turn back most of the gains made during Reconstruction thucythucy 4 hrs ago #21

PCB66

(177 posts)
1. My great(3) grandfather
Tue May 12, 2026, 01:24 PM
Yesterday

was a Confederate soldier. He served in the 9th Florida Regiment. Fought at the Battle of Olustee and Cold Harbor. After the war he walked from Virginia back to Polk County Florida. This was back before I-95 was built. It took him six months to get home. He never took the amnesty oath.

He wrote almost 200 letters while serving. We donated the letters to the Library at the University of Florida.

I have always been fascinated with Civil War history.

ChicagoTeamster

(1,227 posts)
2. The Confederacy lasted less than 5 years. It stole existing Southern Themes. It has no heritage other than rebellion
Tue May 12, 2026, 01:46 PM
Yesterday

against their government for the purpose of preserving the institution of slavery and the wealth of the slave owners.

PatSeg

(53,486 posts)
11. A bunch of indignant, outraged lawbreakers
Tue May 12, 2026, 03:06 PM
Yesterday

Like toddlers, they think they have the right to do or say whatever they want, while at the same time calling for others to be "locked up". The arrogance is only surpassed by the woeful ignorance.

mitch96

(15,867 posts)
18. And remember that the FIRST rebel flag was the Betsy Ross Flag!! Adopted June 14, 1777
Tue May 12, 2026, 07:16 PM
Yesterday

PatSeg

(53,486 posts)
19. Yes
Wed May 13, 2026, 09:41 AM
9 hrs ago

Meanwhile, the Confederates pretended they were equal to the heroes of the Revolutionary War, fighting oppression and tyranny. They were just cosplayers who had little understanding of their own history.

cab67

(3,839 posts)
13. People forget how brief the Confederacy's history was.
Tue May 12, 2026, 03:43 PM
Yesterday

5 years? I have pairs of socks older than that. Not just random old socks, either - I still wear them.

I have canned goods in my pantry older than that.

I'm required to keep final exams turned in by my students longer than that.

The original Star Wars trilogy was released over a longer period of time than that.

I spent more time in graduate school.

PatSeg

(53,486 posts)
15. Bizarre, isn't it?
Tue May 12, 2026, 04:14 PM
Yesterday

That it still lives on in 2026. Generations of people have not moved on from 1863. They are stuck in a fantasy world that really never existed except in their stagnant little brains.

Meanwhile, they blame all their problems on an oppression that never existed. They actually seem to covet the oppression of the people THEIR ancestors enslaved and claim that somehow THEY are the victims. Ironically, most of their families didn't even own slaves and were treated poorly by rich landowners. The good economy of the old south only benefited a small percentage of white people, but they got a whole lot of poor folk to fight and die for something that served the rich elite.

Wounded Bear

(64,593 posts)
4. Good timing. I turned this vid on just as MSNow went to trump babbling on the lawn...
Tue May 12, 2026, 01:56 PM
Yesterday

I find it helps my sanity when I mute trump.

The Liberal Redneck is great.

erronis

(24,469 posts)
5. Trae Crowder is a voice of sanity hidden in that drawl. (Bet he speaks well when he wants...)
Tue May 12, 2026, 02:09 PM
Yesterday

bmichaelh

(1,257 posts)
6. Slave hunts
Tue May 12, 2026, 02:10 PM
Yesterday

When the Confederate troops went north of the Maxon-Dixon line, they engaged in slave hunts.

Lee and other commanders were not honorable.

Botany

(77,805 posts)
17. Trae on white red necks: "Fatter than most livestock."
Tue May 12, 2026, 05:20 PM
Yesterday

I hope President Tammy Duckworth makes Trae him the White House Spokesperson.

Pesky1

(85 posts)
20. The South won the war...
Wed May 13, 2026, 01:14 PM
6 hrs ago

This is the theme of Dr. Heather Cox Richardson's book, "How the South Won the Civil War".

https://www.amazon.com/How-South-Won-Civil-War/dp/019758179X/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3UJWRO1DO9JTR&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.3nPbL7xLgnaQY43Oj8zdTPvsFxawVBteCCwU5gaV4kzOwCWNNPTE9rNtNWx_6NcKeJdn1aUe47qMP85TKKkBjd_r5A5RNPogUCSgX2Xkdjd-4K3IjqDW1Qoqpc_RuL6M7HQLPl2E0JI4W0Z0jZuAseN-ZteFjmlMtQttUbdOA9z6VV91UeI06rfAWh7KX4lQm3giKLrk11_2VOVYEW501XXQ0ASzAlFhkX2jYfOz77U.eiYIzuRTIQryHjhhl192zc-xYnsLEWhclNmGFg0_H6c&dib_tag=se&keywords=how+the+south+won+the+civil+war&qid=1778691943&sprefix=how+the+south+won%2Caps%2C181&sr=8-1

Essentially, the South lost militarily and had to give up it's "property", but it's form of government, has spread and is still plaguing us today. The planter oligarchy owned the newspapers, the schools, the churches, and of course the state governments. The built the mood in Southerners to start the Civil War at Fort Sumpter.

We are still battling oligarchy.

thucythucy

(9,138 posts)
21. The South was able to turn back most of the gains made during Reconstruction
Wed May 13, 2026, 02:56 PM
4 hrs ago

and were able to win the struggle as to whose version of history came to be considered "mainstream." This was the "Gone with the Wind" narrative that portrayed Reconstruction as corrupt and indecent. The actual history was of course quite different. I'm reminded of this when I see instances of MAGA trying to re-frame January 6 as"peaceful."

Another really good book on this is by David Blight: "Race and Reunion:the Civil War in American Memory." It looks at how that distortion of the history happened, and the backstory of how Reconstruction was betrayed by the power brokers--North and South--of the time.

I think a significant turning point was marked when Reagan did his first big campaign rally of his 1980 bid for the presidency in Philadelphia Mississippi, the site where four civil rights workers were murdered in the early 1960s. He used the occasion to emphasize "states rights" as an obvious dog whistle to white racists.

Nowadays the dog whistle has been replaced by a bullhorn, what with Elon Musk doing a Nazi solute at the inauguration, and the GOP nominating and supporting a candidate with a history of openly racist statements and actions.

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