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Lovie777
(24,000 posts)displacedvermoter
(5,100 posts)Bettie
(19,947 posts)but a guy who knows the smear machine inside and out and who is currently not on their side.
His knowledge of how they work is valuable.
SSJVegeta
(3,270 posts)So much as the hill they are willing to climb to atone for those things.
Bettie
(19,947 posts)and I appreciate that...and he's done a lot of good, since reaching the realization that R's were moving away from....sanity.
Truly, his best attribute is his knowledge of how the other side thinks and works.
Clearly, he has a moral compass, it just took a long time to point North.
But, I don't forget things he did before, while appreciating what he's done since.
peppertree
(23,506 posts)And in politics, a man who was on the inside is worth ten who weren't. At least.
Plus - I have to admit I like the guy. He's like the dad a lot of us wished he had.
Happy Hoosier
(9,683 posts)Until we have defeated the MAGAts, we should embrace allies where we can. And he's right about this.
displacedvermoter
(5,100 posts)Happy Hoosier
(9,683 posts)Wilson is actively engaged in the anti-Trump movement. He's not one of us, but he's against Trump.
displacedvermoter
(5,100 posts)of the '24 campaign, and folks hereabouts thought it was great cause we needed all the friends we could get. I believe that turned some folks off, just saying...
betsuni
(29,369 posts)or "wheeled him out." Never Trumpers endorsing Harris didn't "turn off" Democratic voters. Just like Mandami visiting Trump at the White House didn't turn off anybody.
ToxMarz
(3,109 posts)Hassin Bin Sober
(27,516 posts)eShirl
(20,483 posts)ColoringFool
(1,225 posts)EdmondDantes_
(2,180 posts)And given it matches his admitted writings about women lends further credibility.
And likewise some of the women who accused Franken of groping were Democrats. But I guess it makes it easier to dismiss if the only part you acknowledge is the Republican. But 7 other women said he didn't keep his hands to himself.
The unwillingness to acknowledge that being a Democrat doesn't mean someone can't do bad things is weird.
Nanjeanne
(6,730 posts)spoken about.
I also give weight to the 3 other girlfriends that never felt unsettled by the behavior they knew was him in a dark place.
None mentioned physical violence of any kind - nor did any of them mention him calling his tattoo his Nazi tattoo even though Im sure they all saw it many many times.
Bad? Yes many Democrats can acknowledge bad behavior. Platner has spoken about it many many times and how he is not proud of his dark behavior after his 3 tours of Iraq and Afghanistan.
EdmondDantes_
(2,180 posts)The women reported he left bruises on them. Sorry but this is majorly problematic.
Nanjeanne
(6,730 posts)She said happened. Only her. He says otherwise. Mutual friend said they had a volatile relationship but it seemed out of character for him. No one can corroborate. Did it happen? Dont know. If it did I believe it is terrible behavior but sadly that happens. If it were my boyfriend I would probably not have fallen asleep since she said he locked the door which would mean this door oddly locks from outside. but I would definitely have left in morning as she did and never gone back as she didnt. But whatever it was it is not behavior that to me would stop me from voting for him and the policies hes advocating. And since there are no other incidents from people more recently in his life I give him credit for addressing his alcoholism and anger issues and trying to be a better man.
My 2 cents and your mileage may vary. Thats ok.
BComplex
(9,986 posts)republicans.
questionseverything
(12,046 posts)Because repubs cut their food stamps or people living outside because section 8 has new rules and limits or people dying of treatable disease because repubs dont think poor people are worth treating
But I have never seen you advocate to fix any of those problems, not a one
AloeVera
(4,498 posts)No one reported bruises or injuries, not even the Republican woman. In fact there is a quote from her to that effect. And only this Republican claimed what you described.
As for the other two of the total of three women accusing him, people should decide for themselves after reading what they actually said. As I said in my reply to you in another thread, there is no "there" there.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=21284126
sheshe2
(98,702 posts)I have. Some battered women cover the bruises or lie about how they happened out of fear and or embarrassment. I did. I thought I had a concussion once and said I fell instead of saying that during a fit of anger my ex kicked a wooden stool across the room and it hit me hard in my forehead.
Just saying
some women do not report the incidents
it happens.
AloeVera
(4,498 posts)Even the Republican operatve - who btw I just found out formed a group called Ladies for Kavanaugh and helped craft the smears against Christine Ford - states that explicitly.
Imagine a woman who doesn't believe other women now expecting us to believe her? The irony. The nerve. And the thing is I might still believe her if she claimed anything I see as constituting abuse.
I'll trade your wooden stool for a broken wooden chair that left a permanent scar. Or....You could DM me and I will tell you about the damage - mental, emotional and physical - that a malignant narcissist leaves behind. Though I have to watch the triggers as you probably do too.
I do understand where the caution and warnings about Platner come from. Women especially have to be vigilant for any red flags. We diverge in our views about whether that vigilance is warranted here or if it's just republican f******.
I am sorry that abuse happened to you as well. No one can know what that feels like - the disbelief, betrayal, the world turning on its head - unless it's happened to them.
GoodRaisin
(11,109 posts)It looks like a republican hit job to me. Havent seen the evidence of physical violence.
RoeVWade
(943 posts)But I don't like this kind of choice.
MadameButterfly
(4,212 posts)They will find something, and if they don't, they'll create something.
No one is perfect, and they know that. If a candidate hasn't done anything really wrong, he/she at least has some people in his/her past with resentments or complaints. Or people who can be bribed or who have political leanings to motivate them.
If we are looking for politicians who will really turn things around, we'd better get used to it.
AloeVera
(4,498 posts)Thank you. So wise.
Quiet Em
(3,128 posts)and it probably didn't change many minds.
We still don't know what the WSJ is sitting on.
I'm expecting a drip, drip, drip, all summer long.
ABC123Easy
(418 posts)I'm sorry, I'd never, never ever vote for someone with a Nazi tattoo. That's my line.
So, for anyone who excuses it by saying, "He didn't know it was a Nazi tattoo".....this makes it worse in my book because he would be too stupid to know he was getting a nazi tattoo.
MineralMan
(151,788 posts)Is that correct. It sure seems like that's what you want.
I don't. There are other candidates though.
If we're having to choose between:
Trust fund child, sexting while married guy, with Nazi tattoos
Vs
Susan Collins
We're in bad, bad shape.
MineralMan
(151,788 posts)Actually, I do see. Quite clearly. This is your second thread related to Platner. Both are attempts to hurt his campaign.
I see...
ABC123Easy
(418 posts)It's not my second thread on this.
So, let's see if I got this right: You're okay with electing Nazi tattooed people to the Senate?
MineralMan
(151,788 posts)So far, I've only seen the coverup tattoo.
I really don't look at tattoos all that much. Lots of people get them without realizing what they're getting. Many people get them when they've had a few too many drinks, too.
So, I don't pay a lot of attention to people's tattoos when they're running for office. You do, apparently. Why is that?
ABC123Easy
(418 posts)Good to know you're totally cool with Nazi tattoos.
Cause maybe he was drunk when he got it.
Maybe he didn't know what it was.
Great reasons.
So you're cool with Kegsbreaths Christian Nationalist tattoos as well I bet?
MineralMan
(151,788 posts)You do not know me, clearly.
Bye, now.
ABC123Easy
(418 posts)And I'm thankful!
pat_k
(14,132 posts)If people like them can transform and become leaders in the anti-racist, non-violent movement then I can forgive someone who got a nazi tatoo and is now a leader for progressive values.
ABC123Easy
(418 posts)I can't.
LAS14
(15,549 posts)Why is it so hard to think that someone wouldn't recognize that this particular skull and crossbones was a Nazi skull and crossbones??? I haven't seen any explanation of that, but I have heard at least one historian of the period say that he wouldn't have recognized it as a Nazi type skull and crossbones.
ABC123Easy
(418 posts)This is up to each person to decide for themselves and I have. You can decide for yourself as well and it appears that you have as is your right to do so. All I've said is that I draw the line at Nazi tattoos. You can choose where to draw the line yourself.
LAS14
(15,549 posts)ABC123Easy
(418 posts)Calling me stupid doesn't bestow any right to you to ask where I posted it. Rest assured, it's in one of the 50,000 Platner posts out there today. You can find it yourself.
AZLD4Candidate
(7,034 posts)ABC123Easy
(418 posts)Just rephrasing the prior statement. A strawman would technically require something new.
AZLD4Candidate
(7,034 posts)And you still have not answered the question posed to you. Now, will you say "I don't need to," because your silence speaks volumes.
ABC123Easy
(418 posts)Your effort to turn this upon me is futile. Keep trying though if you will.
RetiredParatrooper
(251 posts)
2naSalit
(104,130 posts)Mossfern
(4,816 posts)It was a Nazi tattoo.
I'd bet most people didn't know. I just saw it as the typical skull that is a classic subject of tattoos.
The point is......hopefully you didn't get a Nazi tattoo or other tattoos you don't know the meaning of, that's all.
Mossfern
(4,816 posts)would just assume that it was a regular skull tattoo unless the artist disclosed that it was a Nazi image. It's possible that the artist themself didn't know. I don't think the majority of people are up on Nazi symbology.
I'm Jewish, I am comfortable with Platner's explanation.
Good for you. I admit that explanation is a possibility.
I think it's hard to believe myself. I'm thinking that if I'm getting a tattoo, I'm going to prioritize the meaning of it before I get it.
You should vote for Platner if you desire to and are able to. That's for you to decide.
questionseverything
(12,046 posts)By betting on policy she is helping create, betting before the policy changes are announced that i have not heard you mention
Please stop helping republicans
ABC123Easy
(418 posts)So no one outside of this forum will know what I wrote. Explain to me how that's helping Republicans. Explain how the fact that I've pointed out that there are other DEMS on the Maine ballot to vote for is helping Republicans. Screw the GOP.
Stop accusing me of things I haven't done.
questionseverything
(12,046 posts)Still not a bad word or comment about susan Collins apparent insider trading?
ABC123Easy
(418 posts)I don't support Collins in any way. If you look through my other posts today you'll see that. She has been a horrible senator and a rubber stamp for horrible policies and most importantly, judges and other extreme far right appointees since she began her term. I can't stand that woman and her fake "concerns".
Let me add, I wasn't aware of whatever inside trading she may have or not done until today. I'm not sure how to condemn this woman in any stronger manner than I have.
questionseverything
(12,046 posts)ABC123Easy
(418 posts)100% disagree.
I will never support an antisemite, anyone with Nazi tattoos, anyone affiliated with the Nazis in ANY way, nor any Nazi sympathizers.
I support Mills AND Costello. Both are Dems.
I have not and will never support an R.
RetiredParatrooper
(251 posts)That was a dodge.
ABC123Easy
(418 posts)A Ford man. Have a Dodge but prefer Ford.
Don't accuse me of helping Collins. If you look through my posts and the other 50,000 posts today about this, I clearly do not support Collins. Maybe you're against the other Dems in this election? So you don't support the SITTING DEMOCRAT governor of Maine? You must be helping Rs.
ALL I've said is that I draw the line at supporting ANYONE with Nazi tattoos.
questionseverything
(12,046 posts)(Without AIPACs help)
And constantly dissing our front runner then you are clearly helping Collins
ABC123Easy
(418 posts)You're dissing AIPAC. Are you antisemitic?
questionseverything
(12,046 posts)Im anti Palestinians being held for years in Israels jail w/o charges while being raped and tortured, Im anti wars of choice like what Israel is doing in iran and lebenon
To be clear I dont blame the Jewish people for these things but I do blame Israels government and I dont want my government supporting or paying for any of it
ABC123Easy
(418 posts)It seems like you and I agree on those points.
questionseverything
(12,046 posts)ABC123Easy
(418 posts)I say I support Israel's government?
Can I not hate Nazis while also not supporting Netanyahu?
mr715
(4,476 posts)What does AIPAC have to do with Judaism?
Are we conflating Judaism with the government of Israel?
Just_Vote_Dem
(3,723 posts)2naSalit
(104,130 posts)The tattoo is problematic. Whenever I see it as a tattoo or a decal on a vehicle or some item of clothing, I assume the person who is sporting it is someone to avoid at all costs because they are probably in with the militias who use it as a marker to show they belong to that mindset.
Even worse, for me, is a shitty attitude towards women, in general, and not having enough respect or recognition regarding the rights that have been stripped away that affect everyday life (and death) for too many women. We are at least half the population. Anyone who can't demonstrate even respect for half the population is a major disqualifying factor.
Glad we have ranked choice voting and other options.
questionseverything
(12,046 posts)He works part time and went to school full time last year but this year the goal is to keep him alive after the devastating gop cuts
I would vote for the devil himself to end this republican terror we are going through
I worked construction with men for years and I realized pretty quickly I needed to give them a heads up before entering the job because men are raunchy, even my own beloved hubby when hes with his guy pals loves a raunchy joke. Men and women are wired differently and that doesnt bother me.
2naSalit
(104,130 posts)The trucking industry for decades and I have issues with the disrespect thing. I don't see this candidate as our saving grace and I am thankful there are other candidates to vote for who actually have experience and a sense of respect and decision-making qualities that I don't see in all of them.
One of them will win the primary and I hope beyond hope that whomever it is will oust concerned susan. She has no excuse for her actions in office yet I don't see her staying in office after this. Mainers have had with her as far as I can see from my little spot in the state. She sure gets poster space at the No Kings rallies.
I am waiting to see what the primary results are and hope the victor ousts collins. I'm hoping for a blue tsunami like the rest of us. Too much has been taken from too many and that needs to be changed.
stopdiggin
(15,712 posts)(they know a few things about Nazis)
Platner is also a (self described) military history buff. Also described the tattoo as 'my Totenkopf' - years before supposedly 'realizing' and subsequently covering it up.
Can perhaps buy the argument of the ink as a drunken mistake. That happens. (although the idea that a Serb/Croatian artist didn't know actual content ... joking, right? completely spurious!) The idea that Platner himself didn't 'know' for years ... Nah. Dude held on to this 'bad dude', hell raiser, Hell's Angels, 'bro ethic' for years - and didn't particularly care ...
It's possible (with benefit of the doubt) to see this man as a genuinely reformed character. What doesn't wash (or present as particularly honest) - is to pretend like this isn't who he was ... For years. You're probably going to see a lot more of his really cringe internet postings coming to light. Hang on! We might be able to get past it. But it's not going to be possible to whitewash it.
ABC123Easy
(418 posts)That's exactly how I feel about this.
Ziggy Beans
(72 posts)ABC123Easy
(418 posts)Choosing between Collins and Nazi supporters for which I dislike most? I'm going with Nazi supporters as who is worse.
BComplex
(9,986 posts)Even more unfortunate that there are so many people who don't understand a person being able to change.
Instead, I tend to question people who have never changed something in their lives to a great degree. It makes me think that they think they are perfect to start with, and life lessons mean nothing.
RetiredParatrooper
(251 posts)Skull and Crossbones!
Iron Crosses!
ABC123Easy
(418 posts)But he appears to be pre Nazi Germany era to me.
Are you saying ALL swastikas are Nazi? Cause they're not.
RetiredParatrooper
(251 posts)But good of you to admit that your 'Nazi' tattoo/insignia schtick is bunk.
The dude was August von Mackensen.
The skull and crossbones are the regimental insignia of the KuK 1. Lieb Hussaren Regiment of the Prussian (later Imperial) Guard. This was later adopted by the German Army (Heer - as in not SS) Armored troops. Unfortunately, the SS adopted it too, though usually in a slightly modified form to distinguish themselves.
Now you know.
ABC123Easy
(418 posts)Did I say HE was wearing a swastika?
And I was right! He IS pre-Nazi.
No I didn't. You clearly didn't follow along. I can find a random image of someone with a swastika on their clothing WHO ISN'T a Nazi.
Try again.
regnaD kciN
(27,722 posts)because, before all this came up, I thought that was just a skull-and-crossbones variant. I never saw that presented as a Nazi symbol, and its certainly not commonly recognized as one in the way that a swastika or iron cross would be.
ABC123Easy
(418 posts)Reply 63 from "stopdiggin" earlier.
Akakoji
(582 posts)This is total BS.
AZLD4Candidate
(7,034 posts)Last edited Fri Jun 5, 2026, 01:48 PM - Edit history (1)
Now that he's a strond candidate and that Collins is sinking like a turd in a punch bowl, all of this comes out rapid fire.
I smell a timing gish gallop to sink him on character when they can't on policy.
And we Democrats fall for the trap each time.
Ponietz
(4,486 posts)This is Swift Boat/Al Franken purity redux. Rinse and fucking repeat.
BComplex
(9,986 posts)election cycle.
thesquanderer
(13,142 posts)FakeNoose
(42,679 posts)It's mainly between Graham Platner and David Costello in the Democratic primary. (Janet Mills dropped out in April but her name is still on the ballot.)
Susan Collins is running unopposed in the Repuke primary.
2naSalit
(104,130 posts)Meaning she was not actively campaigning. I'm glad she's still on the ballot.
2naSalit
(104,130 posts)NOBODY IS THE NOMINEE UNTIL WE HAVE OUR PRIMARY NEXT WEEK.
I don't recall nominees foregoing the primary when there are more than one candidate running. Simply because someone has sucked all the air out of the room does not automatically make them the nominee.
When did that change? And for just this state?
Just stop it already, jezus,
I'm glad we have ranked choice voting here, it means that he's not the nominee until the counting is done and he comes out on top.
Fuckin' A. people.
AZLD4Candidate
(7,034 posts)Every damn time.
2naSalit
(104,130 posts)And I'm glad there are others on the ballot. Ranked choice means that there may be an unexpected, for some, winner. I wouldn't put all my eggs in one basket on this guy who seems to be flawed beyond what some find acceptable.
stopdiggin
(15,712 posts)AZLD4Candidate
(7,034 posts)This is why I hate primaries of all kind. It always turns into circular firing squads and our candidate that wins comes out bloodied. Then the sharks jump in on them and we lose because our own party did the other side's opposition research.
MichMan
(17,476 posts)Llewlladdwr
(2,186 posts)The primary is 9 June.
Jesus wept...
AZLD4Candidate
(7,034 posts)And if Jesus wept, I don't care. I'm Jewish.
Reading comprehension
LisaL
(47,735 posts)NT
AZLD4Candidate
(7,034 posts)And the time before Christmas is known as the holiday SEASON
And the time before the World Series is called baseball SEASON
What is your point? I said that all these hit pieces come out during primary season to weaken our candidates that the bottom feeding Republicans will then use against our damaged and bloodied candidate as opposition ads during the election season.
Our primary season does THEIR work for them. Why is this such a point of contention?
Llewlladdwr
(2,186 posts)He's not the nominee until AFTER the primary.
Is English your second language?
AZLD4Candidate
(7,034 posts)So I changed it to strong candidate. Better for your liking? Doesn't change my meaning about ratfucking him with hit pieces.
Llewlladdwr
(2,186 posts)This IS coming out during the primary. The ratfucking is coming from inside the house.
I appreciate your honesty about your ESL status...if I could offer some advice, maybe don't make cracks about others reading comprehension when you're writing in a language you aren't a master of.
AZLD4Candidate
(7,034 posts)Hebrew was spoken in my home until I was five and went to school in 1st grade. I didn't know English well enough to write or talk well until 4th grade. That's why when I wrote my dissertation and my novel, I had it edited constantly for mistakes.
But thanks for crapping on me. I still make mistakes as does my green card holding wife.
BTW, I care more about the message of ratfucking than I am one specific word. Now, I have dinner to make and no more time to talk with you.
orangecrush
(31,465 posts)LisaL
(47,735 posts)He is not the nominee, primary hasn't happened yet.
Joinfortmill
(21,789 posts)in my life, I can tell you there are many forms or levels of groping. That, alone, would not be a deal breaker for me. Just one woman's opinion.
MineralMan
(151,788 posts)who I dated briefly at the age of 16. I apologized to her for being so "handsy" with her one time. She laughed and said, "You were the first boy I ever dated. My first boyfriend. You should have kept trying..." We both laughed at that one and the misunderstandings of impetuous youth.
dlk
(13,382 posts)The GOP has put a serial child rapist and likely trafficker in the White House, and the mainstream media just yawns
I would never condone any type of violence against women. However, with our very democracy on the line, lets not get suckered again.
stopdiggin
(15,712 posts)Whether a certain percentage see them as somewhat 'flexible' and 'conditional' ... And to what degree or extent.
The GOP will continue to do their thing - regardless of my input. But, this is in fact a Democratic candidate in a Democratic primary. My party. Where I do get a say.
beaglelover
(4,515 posts)lived in Maine.
SamuelAdams
(244 posts)They would sound exactly the same on a right-wing site if the accused was a Republican. It's sad to see a supposedly liberal site claiming women are liars, being handsy with women is funny, things you did in your past don't matter, n@zi tattoos are fine, mistreating women is fine, homophobic and racist comments are fine because boys will be boys. After all he might have stopped sexting women who aren't his wife all the way back last year. It's ancient history. Apparently many "liberals" feel the same about racism, sexism, homophobia as baseball fans do about steroids. If it's the other team, ban them for life. If it's our team, it's no big deal.
Llewlladdwr
(2,186 posts)pat_k
(14,132 posts)This has all the hallmarks. The piling on with "not terrible in isolation, but look at the number of them!" quality.
Perhaps Jane will do an investigation of "The Case of Graham Platner." I'd sure like to hear more background on each and every report. I suspect it comes down to the same thing. A whole lot of smoke with no actual fire.
New Yorker
The Case of Al Franken
Jane Mayer
July 22, 2019
https://web.archive.org/web/20190829044419/https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/07/29/the-case-of-al-franken
themaguffin
(5,434 posts)Kingofalldems
(40,384 posts)pat_k
(14,132 posts)Nanjeanne
(6,730 posts)I wouldnt condone in a boyfriend or husband - they certainly would stop me from voting for a man who is working hard supporting the policies that mean so much to me. In the meantime, Fifield for me is not someone I find myself drawn to believe. After all, she formed a group Ladies For Kavanaugh and worked hard to discredit Christine Blaises Ford.
Llewlladdwr
(2,186 posts)Are you saying you don't think they would support the same policies as Platner? I feel they probably would, and bring a lot less baggage.
Nanjeanne
(6,730 posts)the others have as they arent doing well enough to be scrutinized. However none of the baggage on Platner would stop me voting for him if I were in Maine.
Kingofalldems
(40,384 posts)The GOP and their rat-****ing unit had Al Franken being akin to a serial rapist and all over the news. They even spread this on Democratic sites as well. GOP agents are everywhere.
questionseverything
(12,046 posts)People were doing that twenty years ago in gaming rooms so I cant imagine how easy the tech must be to do that now
AloeVera
(4,498 posts)Hello, people? Stop helping the GQP'S dirty work.
Nanjeanne
(6,730 posts)Last edited Fri Jun 5, 2026, 02:15 PM - Edit history (2)
go to read some of her tweets and see what she reposted. Cant believe they are still up. And its quite unsettling to me as a Democrat. Plenty of immigrant bashing. Praise for Tom Homan. Anti gay and trans. People assaulted by police if they are leftists are asking for it.
And of course
Link to tweet
?s=20
Oh and she loves retweeting Stephen Miller tweets. Miller. The real Nazi. Oh and praise be Charlie Kirk
AloeVera
(4,498 posts)The people paying/bribing her know that Democrats, women especially, will fall into the trap they've set. In fact they probably PICKED the "misogynist" " rape apologist" angle to do the most damage. And "Nazi supporter" of course.
And her tweets certainly demonstate her Nazi-adjacent views and full-on maga identity.
Irony really is dead?
Nanjeanne
(6,730 posts)She would almost be a parody she hates every Dem but particularly Obama. Immigrants and Muslims are killing everyone. Soros is funding e wry demonstration and protest. And she loved this from Ken Paxton BREAKING: I'm launching undercover operations to infiltrate and uproot leftist terror cells in Texas.
Leftist political terrorism is a clear and present danger. There can be no compromise with those who want us dead. Ken Paxton. Who actually is an enabler of child sex abuse!