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Rick Wilson on Platner: (Original Post) Kingofalldems 7 hrs ago OP
Post removed Post removed 7 hrs ago #1
You made my day!.................. Lovie777 6 hrs ago #2
I guess we take our friends where we can... displacedvermoter 6 hrs ago #3
Not a good guy Bettie 6 hrs ago #5
We shouldnt define people with just the worst things theyve done in their lives SSJVegeta 6 hrs ago #12
He seems to have changed Bettie 6 hrs ago #13
Hear, hear peppertree 5 hrs ago #30
Not sure if he's a good guy, but... Happy Hoosier 6 hrs ago #6
Like we embraced Dick Cheney... displacedvermoter 6 hrs ago #9
Cheney isn't really a good comparison. Happy Hoosier 6 hrs ago #14
They wheeled his evil old ass out in the final days displacedvermoter 3 hrs ago #70
We've been through this before, you know he did not attend any events with Harris. Nobody "embraced" betsuni 2 hrs ago #100
The enemy of my enemy can be a friend. ToxMarz 5 hrs ago #22
Don't forget, we had David Brock on "our side" running smear campaigns in our primaries. Hassin Bin Sober 3 hrs ago #62
the saying goes, takes one to know one eShirl 6 hrs ago #4
Does He Live In Maine? ColoringFool 6 hrs ago #7
So that two of the women are Democrats has no weight? EdmondDantes_ 6 hrs ago #8
I give them lots of weight. They spoke about his dark moods, anger issues etc. same things he has Nanjeanne 6 hrs ago #10
You don't consider yanking women around or blocking them in rooms violence? EdmondDantes_ 6 hrs ago #16
I do consider this violence towards this woman. It was a woman. And bad behavior. It is what Nanjeanne 5 hrs ago #19
He clearly said that never happened, and that woman is a republican operative working with and for the BComplex 5 hrs ago #40
Problematic is children crying themselves to sleep because they are hungry questionseverything 4 hrs ago #49
Please be factual. AloeVera 2 hrs ago #88
Have you ever been in an abusive marriage or relationship? sheshe2 1 hr ago #120
But not one woman claimed he ever hit, injured or bruised them!! AloeVera 39 min ago #124
I give the most weight to what his wife said. GoodRaisin 9 min ago #128
Right now, at the very least crippling Republican power is more important to me. RoeVWade 6 hrs ago #11
There will always be this kind of choice when someone is speaking to power the way he is. MadameButterfly 1 hr ago #106
THIS!! AloeVera 1 hr ago #116
The NY Times piece didn't really uncover anything new Quiet Em 6 hrs ago #15
Sorry ABC123Easy 6 hrs ago #17
So, let's see if I got this right: You want six more years of Susan Collins? MineralMan 5 hrs ago #20
Nope ABC123Easy 5 hrs ago #21
Uh-huh...I see... MineralMan 5 hrs ago #23
Don't think you do ABC123Easy 5 hrs ago #25
His Tattoo? I haven't seen it. MineralMan 5 hrs ago #26
So, let's see if I got this right: ABC123Easy 5 hrs ago #28
LOL! MineralMan 5 hrs ago #34
Clearly ABC123Easy 5 hrs ago #39
Ever heard of Derek Black, Christian Picciolini, Arno Michaelis, and on and on? pat_k 3 hrs ago #58
Good for you ABC123Easy 3 hrs ago #60
Why is it so hard? LAS14 2 hrs ago #74
I've already answered this question today. I'm absolutely not trying to sway anymone but I will defend my opinions. ABC123Easy 2 hrs ago #77
Can you point me to where you answered this question? nt LAS14 2 hrs ago #82
I will not ABC123Easy 2 hrs ago #91
Strawman designed to NOT answer the question posted to you. AZLD4Candidate 4 hrs ago #44
Nope ABC123Easy 4 hrs ago #47
Red herring. . .strawman. . .avoidance of a simple question is still a logical fallacy AZLD4Candidate 3 hrs ago #68
My silence? ABC123Easy 3 hrs ago #71
Cannot have people who aren't pristine, don'cha know? RetiredParatrooper 2 hrs ago #95
That's quite an assumption. 2naSalit 1 hr ago #117
I didn't know Mossfern 5 hrs ago #31
Well ABC123Easy 5 hrs ago #32
Many many people Mossfern 4 hrs ago #50
Well ABC123Easy 4 hrs ago #54
So platner's tattoo is unforgivable but Collins making 8-9 million bucks in the stock market questionseverything 3 hrs ago #65
Hopefully there's not too many Republicans on DU. ABC123Easy 2 hrs ago #79
There are paid disrupters anywhere you go online questionseverything 2 hrs ago #83
Do I need to do that? ABC123Easy 2 hrs ago #92
You are supporting the repub anytime you dis our front runner questionseverything 2 hrs ago #94
BS ABC123Easy 2 hrs ago #96
Neither is the front runner RetiredParatrooper 2 hrs ago #99
I'm ABC123Easy 1 hr ago #105
If are supporting two democrats in the primary who couldn't fund a commercial if they put their resources together questionseverything 2 hrs ago #102
Sounds like ABC123Easy 1 hr ago #103
I'm anti murder, I'm anti starving people behind a wall questionseverything 1 hr ago #110
Well ABC123Easy 1 hr ago #111
Not if you support Israel's government because they are doing all that and more questionseverything 1 hr ago #112
Did ABC123Easy 1 hr ago #113
Wait-a-sec... mr715 12 min ago #127
Well, I'm glad to hear that! Just_Vote_Dem 1 hr ago #108
I think... 2naSalit 58 min ago #121
I have a grandson with diabetes that lost his Medicaid and his food stamps questionseverything 37 min ago #125
I worked in... 2naSalit 25 min ago #126
try again. The tattoo was gained in Split, Croatia stopdiggin 3 hrs ago #63
Thank you! ABC123Easy 2 hrs ago #80
Must be nice to be perfect and never make a mistake Ziggy Beans 5 hrs ago #35
I wouldn't know ABC123Easy 5 hrs ago #37
That's unfortunate. BComplex 4 hrs ago #41
Is this guy a Nazi? RetiredParatrooper 2 hrs ago #98
Not sure who that is ABC123Easy 2 hrs ago #101
There isn't a swastika there guy RetiredParatrooper 1 hr ago #107
Did ABC123Easy 1 hr ago #109
I must be stupid, then... regnaD kciN 1 hr ago #114
Check out ABC123Easy 1 hr ago #115
Yes Akakoji 6 hrs ago #18
Amazing how all of this didn't come out during the primary season. AZLD4Candidate 5 hrs ago #24
Yes, if this were substantial or important it would have been released long, long ago Ponietz 5 hrs ago #27
Yep. And peope who want to believe the worst of democratic candidates seem to find their way to DU every BComplex 4 hrs ago #43
It's still primary season, he's not the nominee yet. (n/t) thesquanderer 5 hrs ago #33
Maine's primary is June 9th - next Tuesday FakeNoose 5 hrs ago #38
Mills only suspended... 2naSalit 4 hrs ago #48
Our primary is NEXT WEEK... 2naSalit 4 hrs ago #45
I don't live in Maine. I'm just tried of this perfectly-timed swift boating bullshit and us falling into their traps AZLD4Candidate 4 hrs ago #46
I do... 2naSalit 4 hrs ago #51
then maybe correct the erroneous post ? you can still make your point - just with correct information. - - -(nt)- stopdiggin 3 hrs ago #66
Since the vote has NOT happened YET, it is still primary season AZLD4Candidate 3 hrs ago #69
They haven't had the primary yet, so he isn't the nominee MichMan 4 hrs ago #53
He's not the freaking nominee!! Llewlladdwr 4 hrs ago #55
Hence why I said "PRIMARY SEASON" AZLD4Candidate 2 hrs ago #75
It is still a primary season since the primary has not happened yet. LisaL 2 hrs ago #78
And the time before the general is known as election SEASON AZLD4Candidate 2 hrs ago #81
Dude, you clearly referred to Platner as the nominee. Llewlladdwr 2 hrs ago #87
Actually, yes. TBH. AZLD4Candidate 1 hr ago #104
Better, but your title is still wrong. Llewlladdwr 1 hr ago #119
I'm a social studies teacher. I know what ratfucking is. Been one for 20 years. AZLD4Candidate 44 min ago #123
... orangecrush 2 hrs ago #89
It is a primary season. LisaL 3 hrs ago #67
Well, as, a woman who has been 'groped' by a few men Joinfortmill 5 hrs ago #29
At my 50th high school reunion, I talked to one woman MineralMan 5 hrs ago #36
Once again, we see the same tired, old, GOP double-standard playbook dlk 4 hrs ago #42
Ahem. I think what we might be talking about here are 'Democratic' standards ? stopdiggin 4 hrs ago #56
I thought he did very well during his interview with Hayes that aired yesterday on MSNOW. I'd vote for him if I beaglelover 4 hrs ago #52
The responses are fascinating. SamuelAdams 4 hrs ago #57
It's sad, isn't it? Llewlladdwr 3 hrs ago #59
I just re-read Jane Mayer's "The Case of Al Franken" pat_k 3 hrs ago #61
Collins supports trump - that's a massive scandal even if the media ignores it. themaguffin 3 hrs ago #64
The crime of the century. Kingofalldems 3 hrs ago #72
Hear! Hear! pat_k 2 hrs ago #73
The worst of the allegations are attributed to Lyndsey Fifield. And while they are definitely behavior Nanjeanne 2 hrs ago #76
There are two other candidates in the primary. Llewlladdwr 2 hrs ago #84
Im saying Platner is energizing Maine voters in a unique way. I have no idea what kind of baggage Nanjeanne 2 hrs ago #86
Of course. Kingofalldems 2 hrs ago #85
Yep and one person could be running a 100 different handles questionseverything 2 hrs ago #90
She formed a group Ladies For Kavanaugh and worked hard to discredit Christine Blaise-Ford??. AloeVera 2 hrs ago #93
Yes she did. She's quite an interesting piece of work. I don't go to X frequently any more but did Nanjeanne 2 hrs ago #97
So a real Nazi who also doesn't believe women but expects us to believe her? AloeVera 1 hr ago #118
Except in the bat cave here on DU! Nanjeanne 50 min ago #122

Response to Kingofalldems (Original post)

Bettie

(19,947 posts)
5. Not a good guy
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 08:55 AM
6 hrs ago

but a guy who knows the smear machine inside and out and who is currently not on their side.

His knowledge of how they work is valuable.

SSJVegeta

(3,270 posts)
12. We shouldnt define people with just the worst things theyve done in their lives
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 09:14 AM
6 hrs ago

So much as the hill they are willing to climb to atone for those things.

Bettie

(19,947 posts)
13. He seems to have changed
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 09:19 AM
6 hrs ago

and I appreciate that...and he's done a lot of good, since reaching the realization that R's were moving away from....sanity.

Truly, his best attribute is his knowledge of how the other side thinks and works.

Clearly, he has a moral compass, it just took a long time to point North.

But, I don't forget things he did before, while appreciating what he's done since.

peppertree

(23,506 posts)
30. Hear, hear
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 10:15 AM
5 hrs ago

And in politics, a man who was on the inside is worth ten who weren't. At least.

Plus - I have to admit I like the guy. He's like the dad a lot of us wished he had.

Happy Hoosier

(9,683 posts)
6. Not sure if he's a good guy, but...
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 08:56 AM
6 hrs ago

Until we have defeated the MAGAts, we should embrace allies where we can. And he's right about this.

Happy Hoosier

(9,683 posts)
14. Cheney isn't really a good comparison.
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 09:25 AM
6 hrs ago

Wilson is actively engaged in the anti-Trump movement. He's not one of us, but he's against Trump.

displacedvermoter

(5,100 posts)
70. They wheeled his evil old ass out in the final days
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 12:29 PM
3 hrs ago

of the '24 campaign, and folks hereabouts thought it was great cause we needed all the friends we could get. I believe that turned some folks off, just saying...

betsuni

(29,369 posts)
100. We've been through this before, you know he did not attend any events with Harris. Nobody "embraced"
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 01:44 PM
2 hrs ago

or "wheeled him out." Never Trumpers endorsing Harris didn't "turn off" Democratic voters. Just like Mandami visiting Trump at the White House didn't turn off anybody.

EdmondDantes_

(2,180 posts)
8. So that two of the women are Democrats has no weight?
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 08:58 AM
6 hrs ago

And given it matches his admitted writings about women lends further credibility.

And likewise some of the women who accused Franken of groping were Democrats. But I guess it makes it easier to dismiss if the only part you acknowledge is the Republican. But 7 other women said he didn't keep his hands to himself.

The unwillingness to acknowledge that being a Democrat doesn't mean someone can't do bad things is weird.

Nanjeanne

(6,730 posts)
10. I give them lots of weight. They spoke about his dark moods, anger issues etc. same things he has
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 09:05 AM
6 hrs ago

spoken about.

I also give weight to the 3 other girlfriends that never felt “unsettled” by the behavior they knew was him in a dark place.

None mentioned physical violence of any kind - nor did any of them mention him calling his tattoo his Nazi tattoo even though I’m sure they all saw it many many times.

Bad? Yes many Democrats can acknowledge bad behavior. Platner has spoken about it many many times and how he is not proud of his dark behavior after his 3 tours of Iraq and Afghanistan.

EdmondDantes_

(2,180 posts)
16. You don't consider yanking women around or blocking them in rooms violence?
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 09:36 AM
6 hrs ago

The women reported he left bruises on them. Sorry but this is majorly problematic.

Nanjeanne

(6,730 posts)
19. I do consider this violence towards this woman. It was a woman. And bad behavior. It is what
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 09:48 AM
5 hrs ago

She said happened. Only her. He says otherwise. Mutual friend said they had a volatile relationship but it seemed out of character for him. No one can corroborate. Did it happen? Don’t know. If it did I believe it is terrible behavior but sadly that happens. If it were my boyfriend I would probably not have fallen asleep since she said he locked the door which would mean this door oddly locks from outside. but I would definitely have left in morning as she did and never gone back as she didn’t. But whatever it was it is not behavior that to me would stop me from voting for him and the policies he’s advocating. And since there are no other incidents from people more recently in his life I give him credit for addressing his alcoholism and anger issues and trying to be a better man.

My 2 cents and your mileage may vary. That’s ok.

BComplex

(9,986 posts)
40. He clearly said that never happened, and that woman is a republican operative working with and for the
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 10:43 AM
5 hrs ago

republicans.

questionseverything

(12,046 posts)
49. Problematic is children crying themselves to sleep because they are hungry
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 11:05 AM
4 hrs ago

Because repubs cut their food stamps or people living outside because section 8 has new rules and limits or people dying of treatable disease because repubs don’t think poor people are worth treating

But I have never seen you advocate to fix any of those problems, not a one

AloeVera

(4,498 posts)
88. Please be factual.
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 01:18 PM
2 hrs ago

No one reported bruises or injuries, not even the Republican woman. In fact there is a quote from her to that effect. And only this Republican claimed what you described.

As for the other two of the total of three women accusing him, people should decide for themselves after reading what they actually said. As I said in my reply to you in another thread, there is no "there" there.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=21284126

sheshe2

(98,702 posts)
120. Have you ever been in an abusive marriage or relationship?
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 02:45 PM
1 hr ago

I have. Some battered women cover the bruises or lie about how they happened out of fear and or embarrassment. I did. I thought I had a concussion once and said I fell instead of saying that during a fit of anger my ex kicked a wooden stool across the room and it hit me hard in my forehead.

Just saying… some women do not report the incidents… it happens.

AloeVera

(4,498 posts)
124. But not one woman claimed he ever hit, injured or bruised them!!
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 03:07 PM
39 min ago

Even the Republican operatve - who btw I just found out formed a group called Ladies for Kavanaugh and helped craft the smears against Christine Ford - states that explicitly.

Imagine a woman who doesn't believe other women now expecting us to believe her? The irony. The nerve. And the thing is I might still believe her if she claimed anything I see as constituting abuse.

I'll trade your wooden stool for a broken wooden chair that left a permanent scar. Or....You could DM me and I will tell you about the damage - mental, emotional and physical - that a malignant narcissist leaves behind. Though I have to watch the triggers as you probably do too.

I do understand where the caution and warnings about Platner come from. Women especially have to be vigilant for any red flags. We diverge in our views about whether that vigilance is warranted here or if it's just republican f******.

I am sorry that abuse happened to you as well. No one can know what that feels like - the disbelief, betrayal, the world turning on its head - unless it's happened to them.

GoodRaisin

(11,109 posts)
128. I give the most weight to what his wife said.
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 03:37 PM
9 min ago

It looks like a republican hit job to me. Haven’t seen the evidence of physical violence.

RoeVWade

(943 posts)
11. Right now, at the very least crippling Republican power is more important to me.
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 09:11 AM
6 hrs ago

But I don't like this kind of choice.

MadameButterfly

(4,212 posts)
106. There will always be this kind of choice when someone is speaking to power the way he is.
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 01:52 PM
1 hr ago

They will find something, and if they don't, they'll create something.

No one is perfect, and they know that. If a candidate hasn't done anything really wrong, he/she at least has some people in his/her past with resentments or complaints. Or people who can be bribed or who have political leanings to motivate them.

If we are looking for politicians who will really turn things around, we'd better get used to it.



Quiet Em

(3,128 posts)
15. The NY Times piece didn't really uncover anything new
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 09:33 AM
6 hrs ago

and it probably didn't change many minds.

We still don't know what the WSJ is sitting on.

I'm expecting a drip, drip, drip, all summer long.

ABC123Easy

(418 posts)
17. Sorry
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 09:41 AM
6 hrs ago

I'm sorry, I'd never, never ever vote for someone with a Nazi tattoo. That's my line.

So, for anyone who excuses it by saying, "He didn't know it was a Nazi tattoo".....this makes it worse in my book because he would be too stupid to know he was getting a nazi tattoo.

MineralMan

(151,788 posts)
20. So, let's see if I got this right: You want six more years of Susan Collins?
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 09:55 AM
5 hrs ago

Is that correct. It sure seems like that's what you want.

ABC123Easy

(418 posts)
21. Nope
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 09:59 AM
5 hrs ago

I don't. There are other candidates though.

If we're having to choose between:

Trust fund child, sexting while married guy, with Nazi tattoos
Vs
Susan Collins

We're in bad, bad shape.

MineralMan

(151,788 posts)
23. Uh-huh...I see...
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 10:02 AM
5 hrs ago

Actually, I do see. Quite clearly. This is your second thread related to Platner. Both are attempts to hurt his campaign.

I see...

ABC123Easy

(418 posts)
25. Don't think you do
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 10:07 AM
5 hrs ago

It's not my second thread on this.

So, let's see if I got this right: You're okay with electing Nazi tattooed people to the Senate?

MineralMan

(151,788 posts)
26. His Tattoo? I haven't seen it.
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 10:11 AM
5 hrs ago

So far, I've only seen the coverup tattoo.

I really don't look at tattoos all that much. Lots of people get them without realizing what they're getting. Many people get them when they've had a few too many drinks, too.

So, I don't pay a lot of attention to people's tattoos when they're running for office. You do, apparently. Why is that?

ABC123Easy

(418 posts)
28. So, let's see if I got this right:
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 10:13 AM
5 hrs ago

Good to know you're totally cool with Nazi tattoos.

Cause maybe he was drunk when he got it.
Maybe he didn't know what it was.

Great reasons.

So you're cool with Kegsbreaths Christian Nationalist tattoos as well I bet?

pat_k

(14,132 posts)
58. Ever heard of Derek Black, Christian Picciolini, Arno Michaelis, and on and on?
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 11:46 AM
3 hrs ago

If people like them can transform and become leaders in the anti-racist, non-violent movement then I can forgive someone who got a nazi tatoo and is now a leader for progressive values.

LAS14

(15,549 posts)
74. Why is it so hard?
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 12:52 PM
2 hrs ago

Why is it so hard to think that someone wouldn't recognize that this particular skull and crossbones was a Nazi skull and crossbones??? I haven't seen any explanation of that, but I have heard at least one historian of the period say that he wouldn't have recognized it as a Nazi type skull and crossbones.

ABC123Easy

(418 posts)
77. I've already answered this question today. I'm absolutely not trying to sway anymone but I will defend my opinions.
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 12:58 PM
2 hrs ago

This is up to each person to decide for themselves and I have. You can decide for yourself as well and it appears that you have as is your right to do so. All I've said is that I draw the line at Nazi tattoos. You can choose where to draw the line yourself.

ABC123Easy

(418 posts)
91. I will not
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 01:25 PM
2 hrs ago

Calling me stupid doesn't bestow any right to you to ask where I posted it. Rest assured, it's in one of the 50,000 Platner posts out there today. You can find it yourself.

AZLD4Candidate

(7,034 posts)
68. Red herring. . .strawman. . .avoidance of a simple question is still a logical fallacy
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 12:21 PM
3 hrs ago

And you still have not answered the question posed to you. Now, will you say "I don't need to," because your silence speaks volumes.

Mossfern

(4,816 posts)
31. I didn't know
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 10:21 AM
5 hrs ago

It was a Nazi tattoo. I'd bet most people didn't know. I just saw it as the typical skull that is a classic subject of tattoos.

ABC123Easy

(418 posts)
32. Well
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 10:23 AM
5 hrs ago

The point is......hopefully you didn't get a Nazi tattoo or other tattoos you don't know the meaning of, that's all.


Mossfern

(4,816 posts)
50. Many many people
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 11:05 AM
4 hrs ago

would just assume that it was a regular skull tattoo unless the artist disclosed that it was a Nazi image. It's possible that the artist themself didn't know. I don't think the majority of people are up on Nazi symbology.

I'm Jewish, I am comfortable with Platner's explanation.

ABC123Easy

(418 posts)
54. Well
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 11:10 AM
4 hrs ago

Good for you. I admit that explanation is a possibility.

I think it's hard to believe myself. I'm thinking that if I'm getting a tattoo, I'm going to prioritize the meaning of it before I get it.

You should vote for Platner if you desire to and are able to. That's for you to decide.

questionseverything

(12,046 posts)
65. So platner's tattoo is unforgivable but Collins making 8-9 million bucks in the stock market
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 12:06 PM
3 hrs ago

By betting on policy she is helping create, betting before the policy changes are announced that i have not heard you mention

Please stop helping republicans

ABC123Easy

(418 posts)
79. Hopefully there's not too many Republicans on DU.
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 01:03 PM
2 hrs ago

So no one outside of this forum will know what I wrote. Explain to me how that's helping Republicans. Explain how the fact that I've pointed out that there are other DEMS on the Maine ballot to vote for is helping Republicans. Screw the GOP.

Stop accusing me of things I haven't done.

questionseverything

(12,046 posts)
83. There are paid disrupters anywhere you go online
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 01:10 PM
2 hrs ago

Still not a bad word or comment about susan Collins apparent insider trading?

ABC123Easy

(418 posts)
92. Do I need to do that?
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 01:29 PM
2 hrs ago

I don't support Collins in any way. If you look through my other posts today you'll see that. She has been a horrible senator and a rubber stamp for horrible policies and most importantly, judges and other extreme far right appointees since she began her term. I can't stand that woman and her fake "concerns".

Let me add, I wasn't aware of whatever inside trading she may have or not done until today. I'm not sure how to condemn this woman in any stronger manner than I have.

ABC123Easy

(418 posts)
96. BS
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 01:35 PM
2 hrs ago

100% disagree.

I will never support an antisemite, anyone with Nazi tattoos, anyone affiliated with the Nazis in ANY way, nor any Nazi sympathizers.

I support Mills AND Costello. Both are Dems.

I have not and will never support an R.

ABC123Easy

(418 posts)
105. I'm
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 01:51 PM
1 hr ago

A Ford man. Have a Dodge but prefer Ford.

Don't accuse me of helping Collins. If you look through my posts and the other 50,000 posts today about this, I clearly do not support Collins. Maybe you're against the other Dems in this election? So you don't support the SITTING DEMOCRAT governor of Maine? You must be helping Rs.

ALL I've said is that I draw the line at supporting ANYONE with Nazi tattoos.

questionseverything

(12,046 posts)
102. If are supporting two democrats in the primary who couldn't fund a commercial if they put their resources together
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 01:45 PM
2 hrs ago

(Without AIPAC’s help)

And constantly dissing our front runner then you are clearly helping Collins

questionseverything

(12,046 posts)
110. I'm anti murder, I'm anti starving people behind a wall
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 01:56 PM
1 hr ago

I’m anti Palestinians being held for years in Israel’s jail w/o charges while being raped and tortured, I’m anti wars of choice like what Israel is doing in iran and lebenon

To be clear I don’t blame the Jewish people for these things but I do blame Israel’s government and I don’t want my government supporting or paying for any of it

ABC123Easy

(418 posts)
113. Did
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 02:05 PM
1 hr ago

I say I support Israel's government?

Can I not hate Nazis while also not supporting Netanyahu?

mr715

(4,476 posts)
127. Wait-a-sec...
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 03:33 PM
12 min ago

What does AIPAC have to do with Judaism?

Are we conflating Judaism with the government of Israel?

2naSalit

(104,130 posts)
121. I think...
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 02:47 PM
58 min ago

The tattoo is problematic. Whenever I see it as a tattoo or a decal on a vehicle or some item of clothing, I assume the person who is sporting it is someone to avoid at all costs because they are probably in with the militias who use it as a marker to show they belong to that mindset.

Even worse, for me, is a shitty attitude towards women, in general, and not having enough respect or recognition regarding the rights that have been stripped away that affect everyday life (and death) for too many women. We are at least half the population. Anyone who can't demonstrate even respect for half the population is a major disqualifying factor.

Glad we have ranked choice voting and other options.

questionseverything

(12,046 posts)
125. I have a grandson with diabetes that lost his Medicaid and his food stamps
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 03:08 PM
37 min ago

He works part time and went to school full time last year but this year the goal is to keep him alive after the devastating gop cuts

I would vote for the devil himself to end this republican terror we are going through

I worked construction with men for years and I realized pretty quickly I needed to give them a heads up before entering the job because men are raunchy, even my own beloved hubby when he’s with his guy pals loves a raunchy joke. Men and women are wired differently and that doesn’t bother me.

2naSalit

(104,130 posts)
126. I worked in...
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 03:21 PM
25 min ago

The trucking industry for decades and I have issues with the disrespect thing. I don't see this candidate as our saving grace and I am thankful there are other candidates to vote for who actually have experience and a sense of respect and decision-making qualities that I don't see in all of them.

One of them will win the primary and I hope beyond hope that whomever it is will oust concerned susan. She has no excuse for her actions in office yet I don't see her staying in office after this. Mainers have had with her as far as I can see from my little spot in the state. She sure gets poster space at the No Kings rallies.

I am waiting to see what the primary results are and hope the victor ousts collins. I'm hoping for a blue tsunami like the rest of us. Too much has been taken from too many and that needs to be changed.

stopdiggin

(15,712 posts)
63. try again. The tattoo was gained in Split, Croatia
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 12:00 PM
3 hrs ago

(they know a few things about Nazis)
Platner is also a (self described) military history buff. Also described the tattoo as 'my Totenkopf' - years before supposedly 'realizing' and subsequently covering it up.

Can perhaps buy the argument of the ink as a drunken mistake. That happens. (although the idea that a Serb/Croatian artist didn't know actual content ... joking, right? completely spurious!) The idea that Platner himself didn't 'know' for years ... Nah. Dude held on to this 'bad dude', hell raiser, Hell's Angels, 'bro ethic' for years - and didn't particularly care ...

It's possible (with benefit of the doubt) to see this man as a genuinely reformed character. What doesn't wash (or present as particularly honest) - is to pretend like this isn't who he was ... For years. You're probably going to see a lot more of his really cringe internet postings coming to light. Hang on! We might be able to get past it. But it's not going to be possible to whitewash it.

ABC123Easy

(418 posts)
37. I wouldn't know
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 10:33 AM
5 hrs ago

Choosing between Collins and Nazi supporters for which I dislike most? I'm going with Nazi supporters as who is worse.

BComplex

(9,986 posts)
41. That's unfortunate.
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 10:48 AM
4 hrs ago

Even more unfortunate that there are so many people who don't understand a person being able to change.

Instead, I tend to question people who have never changed something in their lives to a great degree. It makes me think that they think they are perfect to start with, and life lessons mean nothing.

ABC123Easy

(418 posts)
101. Not sure who that is
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 01:45 PM
2 hrs ago

But he appears to be pre Nazi Germany era to me.

Are you saying ALL swastikas are Nazi? Cause they're not.

RetiredParatrooper

(251 posts)
107. There isn't a swastika there guy
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 01:53 PM
1 hr ago

But good of you to admit that your 'Nazi' tattoo/insignia schtick is bunk.

The dude was August von Mackensen.

The skull and crossbones are the regimental insignia of the KuK 1. Lieb Hussaren Regiment of the Prussian (later Imperial) Guard. This was later adopted by the German Army (Heer - as in not SS) Armored troops. Unfortunately, the SS adopted it too, though usually in a slightly modified form to distinguish themselves.

Now you know.

ABC123Easy

(418 posts)
109. Did
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 01:55 PM
1 hr ago

Did I say HE was wearing a swastika?

And I was right! He IS pre-Nazi.

No I didn't. You clearly didn't follow along. I can find a random image of someone with a swastika on their clothing WHO ISN'T a Nazi.

Try again.

regnaD kciN

(27,722 posts)
114. I must be stupid, then...
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 02:14 PM
1 hr ago

…because, before all this came up, I thought that was just a skull-and-crossbones variant. I never saw that presented as a Nazi symbol, and it’s certainly not commonly recognized as one in the way that a swastika or iron cross would be.

AZLD4Candidate

(7,034 posts)
24. Amazing how all of this didn't come out during the primary season.
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 10:02 AM
5 hrs ago

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Now that he's a strond candidate and that Collins is sinking like a turd in a punch bowl, all of this comes out rapid fire.

I smell a timing gish gallop to sink him on character when they can't on policy.

And we Democrats fall for the trap each time.

Ponietz

(4,486 posts)
27. Yes, if this were substantial or important it would have been released long, long ago
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 10:12 AM
5 hrs ago

This is Swift Boat/Al Franken purity redux. Rinse and fucking repeat.

BComplex

(9,986 posts)
43. Yep. And peope who want to believe the worst of democratic candidates seem to find their way to DU every
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 10:50 AM
4 hrs ago

election cycle.

FakeNoose

(42,679 posts)
38. Maine's primary is June 9th - next Tuesday
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 10:36 AM
5 hrs ago

It's mainly between Graham Platner and David Costello in the Democratic primary. (Janet Mills dropped out in April but her name is still on the ballot.)

Susan Collins is running unopposed in the Repuke primary.

2naSalit

(104,130 posts)
48. Mills only suspended...
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 11:02 AM
4 hrs ago

Meaning she was not actively campaigning. I'm glad she's still on the ballot.

2naSalit

(104,130 posts)
45. Our primary is NEXT WEEK...
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 11:00 AM
4 hrs ago

NOBODY IS THE NOMINEE UNTIL WE HAVE OUR PRIMARY NEXT WEEK.

I don't recall nominees foregoing the primary when there are more than one candidate running. Simply because someone has sucked all the air out of the room does not automatically make them the nominee.

When did that change? And for just this state?

Just stop it already, jezus,

I'm glad we have ranked choice voting here, it means that he's not the nominee until the counting is done and he comes out on top.


Fuckin' A. people.

AZLD4Candidate

(7,034 posts)
46. I don't live in Maine. I'm just tried of this perfectly-timed swift boating bullshit and us falling into their traps
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 11:01 AM
4 hrs ago

Every damn time.

2naSalit

(104,130 posts)
51. I do...
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 11:05 AM
4 hrs ago

And I'm glad there are others on the ballot. Ranked choice means that there may be an unexpected, for some, winner. I wouldn't put all my eggs in one basket on this guy who seems to be flawed beyond what some find acceptable.

stopdiggin

(15,712 posts)
66. then maybe correct the erroneous post ? you can still make your point - just with correct information. - - -(nt)-
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 12:17 PM
3 hrs ago

AZLD4Candidate

(7,034 posts)
69. Since the vote has NOT happened YET, it is still primary season
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 12:23 PM
3 hrs ago

This is why I hate primaries of all kind. It always turns into circular firing squads and our candidate that wins comes out bloodied. Then the sharks jump in on them and we lose because our own party did the other side's opposition research.

AZLD4Candidate

(7,034 posts)
75. Hence why I said "PRIMARY SEASON"
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 12:57 PM
2 hrs ago

And if Jesus wept, I don't care. I'm Jewish.

Reading comprehension

AZLD4Candidate

(7,034 posts)
81. And the time before the general is known as election SEASON
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 01:07 PM
2 hrs ago

And the time before Christmas is known as the holiday SEASON
And the time before the World Series is called baseball SEASON

What is your point? I said that all these hit pieces come out during primary season to weaken our candidates that the bottom feeding Republicans will then use against our damaged and bloodied candidate as opposition ads during the election season.

Our primary season does THEIR work for them. Why is this such a point of contention?

Llewlladdwr

(2,186 posts)
87. Dude, you clearly referred to Platner as the nominee.
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 01:17 PM
2 hrs ago

He's not the nominee until AFTER the primary.

Is English your second language?

AZLD4Candidate

(7,034 posts)
104. Actually, yes. TBH.
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 01:50 PM
1 hr ago

So I changed it to strong candidate. Better for your liking? Doesn't change my meaning about ratfucking him with hit pieces.

Llewlladdwr

(2,186 posts)
119. Better, but your title is still wrong.
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 02:42 PM
1 hr ago

This IS coming out during the primary. The ratfucking is coming from inside the house.

I appreciate your honesty about your ESL status...if I could offer some advice, maybe don't make cracks about others reading comprehension when you're writing in a language you aren't a master of.

AZLD4Candidate

(7,034 posts)
123. I'm a social studies teacher. I know what ratfucking is. Been one for 20 years.
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 03:02 PM
44 min ago

Hebrew was spoken in my home until I was five and went to school in 1st grade. I didn't know English well enough to write or talk well until 4th grade. That's why when I wrote my dissertation and my novel, I had it edited constantly for mistakes.

But thanks for crapping on me. I still make mistakes as does my green card holding wife.

BTW, I care more about the message of ratfucking than I am one specific word. Now, I have dinner to make and no more time to talk with you.

Joinfortmill

(21,789 posts)
29. Well, as, a woman who has been 'groped' by a few men
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 10:14 AM
5 hrs ago

in my life, I can tell you there are many forms or levels of groping. That, alone, would not be a deal breaker for me. Just one woman's opinion.

MineralMan

(151,788 posts)
36. At my 50th high school reunion, I talked to one woman
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 10:33 AM
5 hrs ago

who I dated briefly at the age of 16. I apologized to her for being so "handsy" with her one time. She laughed and said, "You were the first boy I ever dated. My first boyfriend. You should have kept trying..." We both laughed at that one and the misunderstandings of impetuous youth.

dlk

(13,382 posts)
42. Once again, we see the same tired, old, GOP double-standard playbook
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 10:50 AM
4 hrs ago

The GOP has put a serial child rapist and likely trafficker in the White House, and the mainstream media just yawns

I would never condone any type of violence against women. However, with our very democracy on the line, let’s not get suckered again.

stopdiggin

(15,712 posts)
56. Ahem. I think what we might be talking about here are 'Democratic' standards ?
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 11:33 AM
4 hrs ago

Whether a certain percentage see them as somewhat 'flexible' and 'conditional' ... And to what degree or extent.

The GOP will continue to do their thing - regardless of my input. But, this is in fact a Democratic candidate in a Democratic primary. My party. Where I do get a say.

beaglelover

(4,515 posts)
52. I thought he did very well during his interview with Hayes that aired yesterday on MSNOW. I'd vote for him if I
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 11:08 AM
4 hrs ago

lived in Maine.

SamuelAdams

(244 posts)
57. The responses are fascinating.
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 11:44 AM
4 hrs ago

They would sound exactly the same on a right-wing site if the accused was a Republican. It's sad to see a supposedly liberal site claiming women are liars, being handsy with women is funny, things you did in your past don't matter, n@zi tattoos are fine, mistreating women is fine, homophobic and racist comments are fine because boys will be boys. After all he might have stopped sexting women who aren't his wife all the way back last year. It's ancient history. Apparently many "liberals" feel the same about racism, sexism, homophobia as baseball fans do about steroids. If it's the other team, ban them for life. If it's our team, it's no big deal.

pat_k

(14,132 posts)
61. I just re-read Jane Mayer's "The Case of Al Franken"
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 11:56 AM
3 hrs ago

This has all the hallmarks. The piling on with "not terrible in isolation, but look at the number of them!" quality.

Perhaps Jane will do an investigation of "The Case of Graham Platner." I'd sure like to hear more background on each and every report. I suspect it comes down to the same thing. A whole lot of smoke with no actual fire.

New Yorker
The Case of Al Franken
Jane Mayer
July 22, 2019

https://web.archive.org/web/20190829044419/https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/07/29/the-case-of-al-franken


Nanjeanne

(6,730 posts)
76. The worst of the allegations are attributed to Lyndsey Fifield. And while they are definitely behavior
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 12:57 PM
2 hrs ago

I wouldn’t condone in a boyfriend or husband - they certainly would stop me from voting for a man who is working hard supporting the policies that mean so much to me. In the meantime, Fifield for me is not someone I find myself drawn to believe. After all, she formed a group Ladies For Kavanaugh and worked hard to discredit Christine Blaise’s Ford.

Llewlladdwr

(2,186 posts)
84. There are two other candidates in the primary.
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 01:10 PM
2 hrs ago

Are you saying you don't think they would support the same policies as Platner? I feel they probably would, and bring a lot less baggage.

Nanjeanne

(6,730 posts)
86. Im saying Platner is energizing Maine voters in a unique way. I have no idea what kind of baggage
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 01:15 PM
2 hrs ago

the others have as they aren’t doing well enough to be scrutinized. However none of the baggage on Platner would stop me voting for him if I were in Maine.

Kingofalldems

(40,384 posts)
85. Of course.
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 01:10 PM
2 hrs ago

The GOP and their rat-****ing unit had Al Franken being akin to a serial rapist and all over the news. They even spread this on Democratic sites as well. GOP agents are everywhere.

questionseverything

(12,046 posts)
90. Yep and one person could be running a 100 different handles
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 01:22 PM
2 hrs ago

People were doing that twenty years ago in gaming rooms so I can’t imagine how easy the tech must be to do that now


AloeVera

(4,498 posts)
93. She formed a group Ladies For Kavanaugh and worked hard to discredit Christine Blaise-Ford??.
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 01:32 PM
2 hrs ago

Hello, people? Stop helping the GQP'S dirty work.

Nanjeanne

(6,730 posts)
97. Yes she did. She's quite an interesting piece of work. I don't go to X frequently any more but did
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 01:38 PM
2 hrs ago

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go to read some of her tweets and see what she reposted. Can’t believe they are still up. And it’s quite “unsettling” to me as a Democrat. Plenty of immigrant bashing. Praise for Tom Homan. Anti gay and trans. People assaulted by police if they are leftists are asking for it.

And of course


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Oh and she loves retweeting Stephen Miller tweets. Miller. The real Nazi. Oh and praise be Charlie Kirk

AloeVera

(4,498 posts)
118. So a real Nazi who also doesn't believe women but expects us to believe her?
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 02:42 PM
1 hr ago

The people paying/bribing her know that Democrats, women especially, will fall into the trap they've set. In fact they probably PICKED the "misogynist" " rape apologist" angle to do the most damage. And "Nazi supporter" of course.

And her tweets certainly demonstate her Nazi-adjacent views and full-on maga identity.

Irony really is dead?

Nanjeanne

(6,730 posts)
122. Except in the bat cave here on DU!
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 02:55 PM
50 min ago


She would almost be a parody — she hates every Dem but particularly Obama. Immigrants and Muslims are killing everyone. Soros is funding e wry demonstration and protest. And she loved this from Ken Paxton “ BREAKING: I'm launching undercover operations to infiltrate and uproot leftist terror cells in Texas.
Leftist political terrorism is a clear and present danger. There can be no compromise with those who want us dead.” Ken Paxton. Who actually is an enabler of child sex abuse!
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