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LuckyCharms

(22,202 posts)
Mon Feb 9, 2026, 01:57 PM 6 hrs ago

Were The Grateful Dead a jazz band?

Phil Lesh (Grateful Dead bass guitarist) talks about the influences of Miles Davis and John Coltrane:

"The basic inspiration for The Grateful Dead was the Miles Davis Quartet with Coltrane or Trane's quartet from the early Sixties. So that was pretty much the inspiration for the way we approach our music."

Miles Davis on Jerry Garcia:

So it was through Bill Graham that I met the Grateful Dead. Jerry Garcia, their guitar player, and I hit it off great, talking about music - what they liked and what I liked - and I think we all learned something, grew some. Jerry Garcia loved jazz, and I found out that he loved my music and had been listening to it for a long time. He loved other jazz musicians, too, like Ornette Coleman and Bill Evans.”
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LuckyCharms: I've always heard The Grateful dead as predominantly a jazz band, with rock, R&B, folk, classical, Motown and bluegrass influences.

Below is some audio I found which displays pretty much all of these styles rolled into one band, and I don't believe there will be another musical collaboration like the Grateful Dead ever again.

This is a compilation of the Grateful Dead playing various iterations of "Feeling Groovy" and "Tighten Up" from the late 60s and early 70s. Some amazing and musically complicated interpretations in here...something nice to put on and give a good listen to as you try to discern each individual instrument. I hear a lot of Miles Davis and John Coltrane influenced themes in here...not directly, but stylistically.









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Were The Grateful Dead a jazz band? (Original Post) LuckyCharms 6 hrs ago OP
No, but they were one of the first Jam Bands justaprogressive 6 hrs ago #1
In my humble opinion, yes. Daigan 6 hrs ago #2
Saw them perform in Eugene, Oregon Zambero 5 hrs ago #12
You know what Grateful Dead fans say when they run out of weed... EYESORE 9001 6 hrs ago #3
I could never place... 2naSalit 6 hrs ago #4
Definitely a jazz influence along with the blues and bluegrass Quiet Em 6 hrs ago #5
Phil's background was Jazz and Classical. They would not have been the band they became without him. Lochloosa 5 hrs ago #6
Agree. "When Phil was on, the band was on". LuckyCharms 5 hrs ago #7
I saw a couple of Phil and Friends shows after Jerry's passing. They were Dead Shows.... Lochloosa 5 hrs ago #9
Absolutely No ProfessorGAC 5 hrs ago #8
Have a listen to this, Professor... LuckyCharms 5 hrs ago #11
Psychedelic Dixieland Zambero 5 hrs ago #10
Psychedelic Dixieland. What a great description 👌 Lochloosa 4 hrs ago #13
Eyes of the World with Branford Marsalis 3/29/90 quaint 3 hrs ago #14
+1 LuckyCharms 3 hrs ago #15
My answer to the question would be NO. chouchou 1 hr ago #16

justaprogressive

(6,626 posts)
1. No, but they were one of the first Jam Bands
Mon Feb 9, 2026, 02:05 PM
6 hrs ago

along with Pink Floyd, Allman Bros, Santana, etc

A friend put it beautifully: 45 seconds of really interesting stuff, followed by 45 minutes of boredom.

Daigan

(28 posts)
2. In my humble opinion, yes.
Mon Feb 9, 2026, 02:06 PM
6 hrs ago

The improvisation and the the interplay between the musicians, at it's best was outstanding.

Zambero

(9,939 posts)
12. Saw them perform in Eugene, Oregon
Mon Feb 9, 2026, 03:33 PM
5 hrs ago

Last edited Mon Feb 9, 2026, 05:50 PM - Edit history (1)

At the Hult Center back in 1983. Jerry unveiled some fierce bebop styling that I'd never heard him play before.

EYESORE 9001

(29,537 posts)
3. You know what Grateful Dead fans say when they run out of weed...
Mon Feb 9, 2026, 02:13 PM
6 hrs ago

‘Maannn…this band SUCKS!’ Just kidding. Love the Dead. I admit not being familiar with their entire canon, but I can hear some jazz influence on some of their jam sessions.

2naSalit

(101,034 posts)
4. I could never place...
Mon Feb 9, 2026, 02:19 PM
6 hrs ago

Them in any one genre, I saw them as genre-bending, like many of the time. Greatly overlooked is Joni Mitchell's odyssey into jazz to which she easily adapted. I found that many genres are similar int their approach regarding interplay whether it's jazz, jam band, Bluegrass or even classical forms.

I feel that the Dead were their own unique genre that seemed to include most others within its transformative style.

Quiet Em

(2,642 posts)
5. Definitely a jazz influence along with the blues and bluegrass
Mon Feb 9, 2026, 02:28 PM
6 hrs ago

a little bit of country in there too. And although my husband (wrongly ) called it disco, Shakedown Street was definitely funk.

Grateful Dead music to my ear is music with a heavy influence from Louisiana music genre styles.

Lochloosa

(16,689 posts)
6. Phil's background was Jazz and Classical. They would not have been the band they became without him.
Mon Feb 9, 2026, 03:08 PM
5 hrs ago

He was the soul of the Dead...IMO.

Lochloosa

(16,689 posts)
9. I saw a couple of Phil and Friends shows after Jerry's passing. They were Dead Shows....
Mon Feb 9, 2026, 03:16 PM
5 hrs ago

One was a Dark Star Show.

LuckyCharms

(22,202 posts)
11. Have a listen to this, Professor...
Mon Feb 9, 2026, 03:31 PM
5 hrs ago

This is a note for note recreation of a Grateful Dead jam by Holly Bowling.

This jam was not rehearsed by the Dead...it was played by the Dead only one time, and never again recreated by them. There was no sheet music for this...it was not a composed piece of music. Knowing this...I call this jazz music...unplanned, complex, and completely improvised, and you can really hear it when played by others on an instrument other than guitars.

That the Dead aimlessly noodled is a myth, except during the "space" segment of their shows, where the "noodling" was expected and purposeful. The space segment of their shows were an experiment to see where they could take sound...

That was Phil Lesh who said that quote, not Bob Weir.

Zambero

(9,939 posts)
10. Psychedelic Dixieland
Mon Feb 9, 2026, 03:29 PM
5 hrs ago

blended with blues, Americana and much more across
an eclectic musical spectrum. So I would say YES!

chouchou

(2,942 posts)
16. My answer to the question would be NO.
Mon Feb 9, 2026, 07:15 PM
1 hr ago

Yours truly is a trained classical and many other types, Piano.
There's playing and there's playing around.

I have no problem with who likes who though. Be happy.

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