'Absurd' for Russia and U.S. to hold peace negotiations and not include Ukraine: Richard Stengel - MSNBC Reports

[Rhiannon12866]

Ukrainian President Zelenskyy says his country will never accept a peace deal made "behind our backs" ahead of a meeting tomorrow between U.S. and Russian officials in Saudi Arabia. Former Undersecretary of State for Public Diplomacy and Public Affairs in the Obama Administration Richard Stengel and NBC International Correspondent Raf Sanchez join Ali Vitali to weigh in on the situation. - Aired on 02/17/2025.

[JohnSJ]

1. It is bullshit, just like trump and putin are.

[Rhiannon12866]

2. So much for TFG's boast about his "first 24 hours" - and he is making yet another deadly mistake

Not only for Ukraine, but for our long term European allies who are now opposed to every anti democratic thing he does.

[JohnSJ]

3. and I think you ain't seen nothing yet in the middle east, but I don't think it will be pretty.

[ancianita]

4. According to Tim Snyder it's a colonial partitioning. The people of Ukraine only have the EU and 5 Eyes as allies.

Of course most Americans are their allies, too, but the Musk/Trump/Putin triumvirate hides that fact.

three possible framings of the Russian-American talks emerge.
First, the Americans sincerely want peace but are just stunningly incompetent.
Second, the incompetence is by design; the game is rigged to generate an agreement between Russia and the U.S. that is unacceptable to Ukraine.
Third, Putin and Trump have already worked out common plans for the colonial domination of Ukraine, and the talks just provide cover.

https://snyder.substack.com/p/peace-or-partition

[Rhiannon12866]

5. Thanks! And I would not put #3 beyond Putin/TFG

When we have previously been Ukraine's firm ally.

[ancianita]

6. Sure! Absolutely! It's what oligarchs do.