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W_HAMILTON

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37. And if they don't like the two party system, they can feel free to think of it as 100+ million party system.

Thu Jul 9, 2026, 12:55 PM

12 hrs ago

Even more parties than in Europe! We are each or own individual party! 100+ million parties! We each get a party! Yay!

But it still takes 50% +1 to win elections, so those of us on the left still then need to come together to form a majority coalition to actually win elections and accomplish anything.

So we are right back where the fuck we started at.

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What is the difference between a progressive and a liberal? [View all] Walleye 14 hrs ago OP

liberals occasionally justaprogressive 14 hrs ago #1

That's my impression. So I guess that makes him part of the "establishment" Walleye 14 hrs ago #11

Historically, by the Progressive Era bucolic_frolic 14 hrs ago #2

Both do both paleotn 14 hrs ago #5

Can't entirely agree or disagree bucolic_frolic 14 hrs ago #7

You couldn't slide piece of paper through the difference paleotn 14 hrs ago #3

Agree. It's lost all meaning. BannonsLiver 13 hrs ago #26

Progressives stand for progress and change Fiendish Thingy 14 hrs ago #4

I'm glad you noted "stand for" progress and change. W_HAMILTON 14 hrs ago #8

Well, I was referring to progressive politicians specifically, not voters Fiendish Thingy 14 hrs ago #14

Yes, it is standing up for one's values. W_HAMILTON 13 hrs ago #19

Like I said, a debateable strategy Fiendish Thingy 13 hrs ago #25

It's your civic duty to vote. It's either or. Walleye 11 hrs ago #43

I agree casting a ballot should be mandatory Fiendish Thingy 10 hrs ago #46

I get the feeling that the purpose of elections, to determine the will of the people, is being buried somehow Walleye 10 hrs ago #51

I'm sure someone will chime in with some intricate delineation... W_HAMILTON 14 hrs ago #6

This is what I think, too. CrispyQ 14 hrs ago #16

I think in this particular election being against Trump is enough Walleye 10 hrs ago #44

Some are hip buzzwords Keepthesoulalive 10 hrs ago #52

lets divide progressives. rampartd 14 hrs ago #9

simple Whip-poor-will 14 hrs ago #10

Liberals are more about individual freedom; progressives want to build new structures muriel_volestrangler 14 hrs ago #12

This Progressive is so far left of left... ZDU 14 hrs ago #13

Thank you to everyone who answered. It's all very interesting. Walleye 14 hrs ago #15

Agree - whether people like it or not we have a two party system in America. walkingman 13 hrs ago #18

The two party system is a huge part of the problem. The Madcap 12 hrs ago #31

I do wish we has a parliamentary system. I also wish we were a democracy instead of a democratic republic walkingman 12 hrs ago #36

Joe Biden managed to get some bipartisan legislation passed Walleye 10 hrs ago #45

And if they don't like the two party system, they can feel free to think of it as 100+ million party system. W_HAMILTON 12 hrs ago #37

The word "Liberal" has numerous meanings and different usages. LeftInTX 13 hrs ago #28

I personally think withholding votes, is a shade of "anarchism" LeftInTX 12 hrs ago #34

There are many people who feel the same way we do politically, but they refuse to participate. I don't know what Walleye 10 hrs ago #47

The way I look at it is this.... walkingman 14 hrs ago #17

I described myself as a proud Democrat Walleye 13 hrs ago #24

I'm a "big tent Democrat" LeftInTX 12 hrs ago #33

Message auto-removed Name removed 13 hrs ago #20

I have always identified myself as a liberal for one very simple reason Peacetrain 13 hrs ago #21

I'm a liberal and proud of it. Raftergirl 13 hrs ago #22

This message was self-deleted by its author Prairie_Seagull 13 hrs ago #23

Incrementalists within the system vs. Reformers who think the system is broken Sympthsical 13 hrs ago #27

Progressives are Liberals Progressive dog 13 hrs ago #29

A sliver. RandySF 12 hrs ago #30

Progressives are more idealistic, less pragmatic... BH liberal 12 hrs ago #32

What is the benefit of this question? We all need each other.... legallyblondeNYC 12 hrs ago #35

Progressives tend to work towards a group goal. haele 11 hrs ago #38

Redefined: progressive (anti-establishment, working class, good) liberal (establishment, elite, not progressive, evil). betsuni 11 hrs ago #39

In recent years, Progressives work for progress, 31j20b3 11 hrs ago #40

They used to be called blue dog Democrats and were mostly southern. Raftergirl 10 hrs ago #48

Yes, I was just going to remark on that. In Delaware we had a very liberal Republican governor. But those days are gone Walleye 10 hrs ago #50

Lincoln Chaffee was another one. He eventually left the R party and became a D. Raftergirl 10 hrs ago #53

So did the governor I mentioned. Governor Peterson. Walleye 10 hrs ago #54

Liberals support liberty. Progressives support progress. meadowlander 11 hrs ago #41

Imo, a progressive is someone who is afraid of the word liberal. ananda 11 hrs ago #42

That is my general impression Walleye 10 hrs ago #49

there is no difference mike_c 10 hrs ago #55

I don't think there is an equivalent in the Republican party Walleye 10 hrs ago #56

Liberals are center-left and progressives are left many a good man 8 hrs ago #57

Well said! BH liberal 6 hrs ago #58