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iverglas

(38,549 posts)
26. odd to the thinking person ;)
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 03:01 PM
Jan 2012

It doesn't even take any thought for me, these days.

I would have left off watching Homeland half-way through or earlier, except the co-vivant liked it and I didn't actually hate it. The female lead character was way past non credible. And the other (scarce) female characters were wives. Oh, and daughter. One of the wives, the male lead's, got a fair amount of screen time, but she was wife, nothing more. And her storyline revolved not around her job (she didn't have one as far as I could tell, despite having been a lone parent for some years) or anything actually personal to her; it revolved around sex: her affair with someone else. The entire story was densely populated by male people, absolutely everyone the female lead interacted with.

I just look at the first episode of a show now, and if that's the case, it's almost always no second episode -- unless the story is about something specific to men, and there's nothing to say that can't be worthwhile: The Green Mile, for instance, was about an all-male environment, and it had things to say. But The Sopranos? No, ta very much. Not for five minutes. Men with female appendages, and nasty men at that. Horrible thing.

Unfortunately, female-lead television shows are often in the B list. Crossing Jordan, Bones ... not the good material for them. And look at something like The Closer -- strong female lead, surrounded by men. If we can believe she became chief of police or whatever, couldn't we believe a couple of her detectives were women?

I didn't watch the original Law and Order for the first 4 or 5 years it was on air. I watched one episode and saw three male cops, three male lawyers, and a hooker, and I didn't come back next week. They even had a black lawyer; but no women anywhere in a cast of six main characters. I thought men were supposed to be good at arithmetic -- there are probably a couple of dozen ways they could have managed to squeeze even one woman into that set, but for some reason it just didn't occur to them. Then, a season or two after the beginning? -- came the female lawyer. And then the show went whole hog wild -- the woman medical examiner, the woman firearms expert, the woman psychiatrist, the wheelchair-using tech guy, the gay Asian psychiatrist FBI agent ... ! All secondary characters shoehorned into the cast, but I'll give 'em credit. And eventually the black woman lieutenant. I've seen more than one series where the same thing has happened. But what is it that makes these guys unable to get it on the first go??

What can we do about it? Pine for the days of Mary Tyler Moore and Murphy Brown and hell, Roseanne, I guess.

Second-wave feminist teevee.

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what do you see, being in that generation? seabeyond Jan 2012 #1
Overused technology. Neoma Jan 2012 #2
I hate to say it... laconicsax Jan 2012 #3
I viewed her as a overly tired coffee drinker that managed to pull it all together. Neoma Jan 2012 #4
That's an accurate view, too. laconicsax Jan 2012 #5
i ran a small business. i learned from my father. we grew up in that atmosphere. seabeyond Jan 2012 #8
neoma, i couldnt agree with you more. seabeyond Jan 2012 #6
I think there's a lot of confusion also. Neoma Jan 2012 #11
i dont think you are seabeyond Jan 2012 #12
I met a woman in the gym once. Neoma Jan 2012 #14
do you know ... iverglas Jan 2012 #9
Sigh. Neoma Jan 2012 #15
on King and Sanger iverglas Jan 2012 #16
Sure don't ismnotwasm Jan 2012 #28
good one! iverglas Jan 2012 #29
it is good to see you. nt seabeyond Jan 2012 #35
Here's a link Feldspar Jan 2012 #7
Thanks for the link! Sera_Bellum Jan 2012 #18
My take... redqueen Jan 2012 #10
It reminds me of videogames for some reason. Neoma Jan 2012 #13
Well I meant celebrated more than created... redqueen Jan 2012 #17
Generally, you get into directing by writing. Neoma Jan 2012 #19
Depends on how many men are involved in production, redqueen Jan 2012 #20
there is also the argument about teen males being the ticket buyers which has been proven false seabeyond Jan 2012 #21
Studies have shown that male audience members generally cannot identify with female lead characters. redqueen Jan 2012 #22
Isn't it a little odd that they generally put women in roles Neoma Jan 2012 #23
for a chick flick. and servicing a male for a manly mans movie or seabeyond Jan 2012 #24
Not really... redqueen Jan 2012 #25
odd to the thinking person ;) iverglas Jan 2012 #26
Just thought of something. Neoma Jan 2012 #27
One big exception is the His Dark Materials series. redqueen Jan 2012 #32
Never read the series. Neoma Jan 2012 #33
We need to change the culture which says that male is the default and female is an exception/other. CrispyQ Jan 2012 #34
Women are afraid ismnotwasm Jan 2012 #30
I should make all the points in here into a list. Neoma Jan 2012 #31
K&R Whisp Feb 2012 #36
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