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TBF

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29. Absolutely - the oligarchs spend a lot of money developing wedge issues
Wed Jan 22, 2025, 12:07 PM
Jan 2025

to divide us because there are far more of us than there are of them. It's sickening to watch it over and over again.

But if we could put some average income people at a table and come up with a list of demands of what would be good to have - the things like health care, social security - those things would be very important to us. The problem is that the right throw up their hands and say "well who is going to pay for that?" and then throw out any wedge issue that will stick to the wall to distract.

The way we do it is reallocate and distribute tax dollars to help the most amount of people. This is exactly opposite of what Trump wants. He wants huge tax breaks for himself and billionaire friends. Musk et al are sitting up there with him because they want those tax breaks, plus they want us to pay for their pet projects like "Musk on Mars". Seriously, and somehow they convince people to do it (or they hack the voting machines).

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I agree. Lunabell Jan 2025 #1
Will our big donors allow this? jalan48 Jan 2025 #2
That's our problem - TBF Jan 2025 #5
Mostly they don't Bettie Jan 2025 #65
Given Sanders didn't win the primary, would the voters allow it seems more important EdmondDantes_ Jan 2025 #8
Sounds like you're a no on adopting Bernie's ideas moving forward. jalan48 Jan 2025 #9
I think who wins the primaries has depended a lot TBF Jan 2025 #18
This is a critical point... DEMS had more billionaires in their corner in 2024 than the GOP. WarGamer Jan 2025 #17
If our goal is to please billionaires, we will never be the party for the working class. nt TBF Jan 2025 #19
x1000 nt WarGamer Jan 2025 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author LiberalArkie Jan 2025 #32
Yes this is exactly the starting point LearnedHand Jan 2025 #3
Exactly Emile Jan 2025 #4
To remind us all of the elements in the Sanders platform, I'm posting a link below from 2019. Lonestarblue Jan 2025 #6
Thank you for this LearnedHand Jan 2025 #12
u know a lot of ppl blame bernie for us ending up here, right? mopinko Jan 2025 #7
"start with a platform" Cirsium Jan 2025 #13
the op named sanders. mopinko Jan 2025 #22
Right Cirsium Jan 2025 #23
bad branding. mopinko Jan 2025 #24
Branding doesn't matter Cirsium Jan 2025 #35
yes, branding does matter. mopinko Jan 2025 #41
Branding Cirsium Jan 2025 #44
bernie's politics r fine w me. mopinko Jan 2025 #45
Good Cirsium Jan 2025 #48
Of course there's "hate out there" - oligarchs do not want to share TBF Jan 2025 #15
fully fund and expand the aca. that was in place. mopinko Jan 2025 #21
Medicare is in place - TBF Jan 2025 #28
well, you're doing quite a bit of conflating there. but the aca exists, too. and it's better. mopinko Jan 2025 #30
OK, start with ACA then - TBF Jan 2025 #33
Forgive the intrusion. Hope you don't mind. Sailingfish Jan 2025 #49
Fantastic food for thought TBF Jan 2025 #50
What? Cirsium Jan 2025 #46
This is the answer. Voltaire2 Jan 2025 #10
Can you point out one neoliberalism policy of the Biden administration? Self Esteem Jan 2025 #27
Any policy I don't like is neo-liberal. comradebillyboy Jan 2025 #38
Exactly right. Biden might be the first non-neoliberal president we've had since LBJ. Self Esteem Jan 2025 #51
Both Sides insult that Ds have same policies as Rs: deregulation, privatization, austerity, and a stupid betsuni Jan 2025 #60
Well. I'm not a Bernie fan whatsoever, BUT ismnotwasm Jan 2025 #11
I only mentioned Bernie because he is someone who is further left that we all know - TBF Jan 2025 #16
When Tim Walz was picked by Kamala Harris I was ecstatic. She made a fabulous choice and the buzz was Nanjeanne Jan 2025 #14
i ve been left most of my adult life , with out us lefties ( no joke here ) we wouldnt be here what we are today AllaN01Bear Jan 2025 #25
The majority of Americans consistantly agree... Think. Again. Jan 2025 #26
Absolutely - the oligarchs spend a lot of money developing wedge issues TBF Jan 2025 #29
But they don't vote that way. comradebillyboy Jan 2025 #36
Correct, the current Democratic Party hasn't won them over. Think. Again. Jan 2025 #37
Call me when Bernie can win a Democratic primary. comradebillyboy Jan 2025 #39
I don't think this OP is suggesting running Bernie. Think. Again. Jan 2025 #40
Heavens no, I adore him but he has other roles now. One is making platforms - TBF Jan 2025 #42
Part of the problem is that you want to immediately label TBF Jan 2025 #43
A big part of Bernie's appeal is that he's not a Democrat, or at least not "Establishment." DickKessler Jan 2025 #31
A thoughtful post - thank you. TBF Jan 2025 #34
What is the purpose of this section? Cirsium Jan 2025 #47
Yes, that will be part of pushing forward I suppose. TBF Jan 2025 #53
since Bernie's plan has never really been implemented, it still is a new way forward for a party that has really NewHendoLib Jan 2025 #54
I agree Cirsium Jan 2025 #56
Why are the only 2 options qazplm135 Jan 2025 #52
I could argue TBF Jan 2025 #55
My point is qazplm135 Jan 2025 #57
That is what we've been doing for years & it isn't working imo. nt TBF Jan 2025 #61
Well that's the challenge qazplm135 Jan 2025 #62
It needs to happen behind the scenes -- TBF Jan 2025 #63
The right does it qazplm135 Jan 2025 #64
What really is "far left"? The kinds of policies that every other civilized industrial nation seems to have like Nanjeanne Jan 2025 #58
It doesn't matter if you or I qazplm135 Jan 2025 #59
Popular for quite awhile, and that is just one policy among many we should be champions for: Passages Jan 2025 #66
Agree with every point, well said msfiddlestix Jan 2025 #67
Honestly I haven't a clue - I have been building my base at Bluesky TBF Jan 2025 #68
As much as I have always admired her, that simply isn't enough.. but it's not nothing. msfiddlestix Jan 2025 #69
You're reacting appropriately to your environment TBF Jan 2025 #70
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